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Re: Manjaro to become the next Ubuntu?
« Reply #15 on: 12. April 2016, 20:22:23 »
end of discussion :P
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Re: Manjaro to become the next Ubuntu?
« Reply #16 on: 12. April 2016, 20:49:52 »
Such search term statistics need to be adjusted for alternative spelling ("arch linux" vs "archlinux") and typos.

Anyway they don't reflect directly how many systems are installed.

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Re: Manjaro to become the next Ubuntu?
« Reply #17 on: 13. April 2016, 05:27:55 »
I've been using Manjaro since late last year and haven't had any major problems with it. Much more stable then Xubuntu.

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Re: Manjaro to become the next Ubuntu?
« Reply #18 on: 13. April 2016, 15:08:57 »
Will Manjaro become the next Ubuntu? I sure hope not. I have been playing with the beta of 16.04 and to get the latest Transmission I had to use a PPA. Same with Uget. No thanks.
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Re: Manjaro to become the next Ubuntu?
« Reply #19 on: 18. April 2016, 22:20:36 »
Will Manjaro become the next Ubuntu? I sure hope not. I have been playing with the beta of 16.04 and to get the latest Transmission I had to use a PPA. Same with Uget. No thanks.

Because we all know how reliable AUR is, yeah sorry but after my recent experiences making me go back to Ubuntu I rather have the ppa system.
Though if you want my honest opinion the community with the best community provided packages is openSUSE, more trustworthy then ppa's and more reliable than AUR
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Re: Manjaro to become the next Ubuntu?
« Reply #20 on: 19. April 2016, 00:35:59 »
Ubuntu, RedHat/Fedora,Suse/Opensuse all have the commercial serverside (and sometimes clientside) mixed in with their non-commercial, community counterparts.
That makes them essentially different from Arch/manjaro and even Debian itself.

From that perpspective I do not see Manjaro becoming like Ubuntu soon. Ubuntu have achieved a lot to help popularize Linux and are one of the few pre-installed distros on PCs, they also have a roadmap towards Phones and have kept their servers a successful major product.

I like Manjaro and I would not mind if there was more commerce attached to the server-sid of arch (can bring stability/continuity). But as it stands it is not a major player. It does have a large enough community to make it unlikely for it to just fizzle out and I love manjaro's balance of "rolling", user-friendlyness, reliability. That is why I donated and that is why I'll stay. I think they deserve more success, but they have been very successful compared to many other distros.
I would like to read more of small companies/charities using manjaro because they bring stability and reputation as well (though on a small scale).

I may be biassed as a happy user, but I can easily see distro-hoppers settling on Manjaro. Arch is just too labour-intensive to keep going, Manajro can easily be maintained on a couple of PCs/laptops in your spare time (with a rare peak). Although we still have some Win10 in the family, manjaro has slowly taken over the media-centres (Kodi+TVHeadend+Nas)+2 laptops with minimal hassle and effort.

I am not sure if there is a market in pre-installed PC/Laptops for Manjaro, it would bog the team down in requirements, but it could work (they may simply not want to). I do not see Manajaro move into the server-side of things (too many risks with rolling). I did try Opensuse-Tumbleweed, but I prefer Manjaro for its stability. I truly did not expect a distro with no clear commercial distro-aims and goals to be this stable and successful.

Thanks to the team. Thanks to Manjaro.

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Re: Manjaro to become the next Ubuntu?
« Reply #21 on: 20. April 2016, 22:56:45 »
I truly did not expect a distro with no clear commercial distro-aims and goals to be this stable and successful.

Thanks to the team. Thanks to Manjaro.

Just goes to show what people without commercialism and greed can achieve.

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Re: Manjaro to become the next Ubuntu?
« Reply #22 on: 20. April 2016, 23:32:46 »
Just goes to show what people without commercialism and greed can achieve.

Well its not like commercialism itself is bad, its how its implemented.
Thje relationship bewtween SUSE and openSUSE and Fedora and Redhat are very mutually beneficial
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Re: Manjaro to become the next Ubuntu?
« Reply #23 on: 21. April 2016, 22:12:41 »
I think manjaro is a great desktop distro, and there are benefits in keeping it that way. Most of big distros are have generalist kernels and are optimized for any workload. Manjaro on the other hand has kernel and many other underlying things tuned specifically for the desktop/notebook. Having relatively light arch as base helps too. And fairly recent kernels means that also newer hardware is going to work sooner than later.

I originally started on linux mint, but manjaro just curbstomped it in terms of performance and stability. And its really hard to go back to apt-get after learning pacman. Only other package manager I have been comfortable with after using pacman is yum, and fedora has really small repos.

Manjaro has great balance between configurability and beginner friendliness, performance and stabolity. However, I think it is still not going to be at mint/ubuntu range for still some time. The reason is that while it is one of the best balanced distros out there, the beginner friendliness is still a bit under the critical mass to reach the masses. I think it would require 2 things:
- 1 click option to install manjaro beside windows
- a slightly slower stable branch, so that things like themes breaking on gtk update do not happen in stable branch.

But I think manjaro is going to get there at some point.

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Re: Manjaro to become the next Ubuntu?
« Reply #24 on: 22. April 2016, 03:34:14 »
Quote from: Chrysostomus
And its really hard to go back to apt-get after learning pacman.
Same for any other package manager. Try building a fedora from scratch using command line dnf - it hurts. Fedora gives very high quality stuff, but can;t enjoy dnf after using pacman ;)

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Manjaro has great balance between configurability and beginner friendliness, performance and stabolity ... the beginner friendliness is still a bit under the critical mass to reach the masses
Great balance indeed. But i'd rather not have it cross that "critical mass", if people needed a baby-proofed distro they'd use mint or elementary or deepin and stuff. We want the raw power ! Without the arch-ness of course :P I use manjaro for my workhorse laptop, don;t wanna burn the house by accident.
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Re: Manjaro to become the next Ubuntu?
« Reply #25 on: 22. April 2016, 06:44:13 »
Same for any other package manager. Try building a fedora from scratch using command line dnf - it hurts. Fedora gives very high quality stuff, but can;t enjoy dnf after using pacman ;)
Great balance indeed. But i'd rather not have it cross that "critical mass", if people needed a baby-proofed distro they'd use mint or elementary or deepin and stuff. We want the raw power ! Without the arch-ness of course :P I use manjaro for my workhorse laptop, don;t wanna burn the house by accident.

A good package management system makes the difference. Just ask anyone still running scared from the days of "dependency hell." Fun times, indeed. ;)

That being said, I gotta freebie developer subscription to Redhat Server 7.2, so I'm thinking about trying out YUM. Really glad we've got the Pacman Rosetta for a reference...if I can handle going back to GNOME 3.10...I love Pacman... ;)

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Re: Manjaro to become the next Ubuntu?
« Reply #26 on: 22. April 2016, 06:59:01 »
that's like getting a free meal ticket to "Broccoli King". Question is : why bother ?
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Re: Manjaro to become the next Ubuntu?
« Reply #27 on: 22. April 2016, 08:14:19 »
Because broccoli is tasty and healthy? Maybe he needs a stable server distro?

I think yum is okay because
- it is fast to type yum
- download times are reasonable
- there is autocompletion for options

But I prefer arch/manjaro, because I can more easily find the packages I want.

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Re: Manjaro to become the next Ubuntu?
« Reply #28 on: 26. April 2016, 00:23:12 »
I just updated my Centos 7 with Pacman.
You can simply install pacapt.
Pacman is available for most distros these days. In the case of Suse's Zypper it is 100% compatible.


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Re: Manjaro to become the next Ubuntu?
« Reply #29 on: 26. April 2016, 18:01:10 »
that's like getting a free meal ticket to "Broccoli King". Question is : why bother ?

Actually, that is the way it "felt" when I installed Red Hat 7.2. And uninstalled it--somewhat akin to puking up a foul dish that someone else prepared and force-fed me by choice. Yeesh!

That being said, Red Hat is the face of Corporate Linux--it should be that way. Their website scares me. It reminds me I'm treating a hugely powerful and serious tool as a child's toy.  And I'm not sure how I feel about that. Unsettled? >:D

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