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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #30 on: 14. April 2016, 21:22:51 »
just NoDisplay=true the unwanted launchers. Your start menu is clean again. Just gotta do it once and save it in .local/share/applications
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #31 on: 14. April 2016, 21:26:43 »
But you still know they are there ...
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #32 on: 14. April 2016, 21:32:09 »
This is some seriously OCD stuff.

Question: are people who are bothered about this just as worried about the physical cleanliness of their PC and desk? If so, I could understand wanting to get their PC "insides" as clean as possible too. If not - it's stupid. I'd apologise but it really is a pointless thing to worry about.

If you don't use an application, remove it. If an application installs a dependency, you deal with it or use a different application.
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #33 on: 14. April 2016, 21:46:37 »
@Jonathan true,its mainly aesthetics ... hitting htop and seeing what applications are active sums up what 'bloat' is currently being used.
Its also a learning process ... theres a need to sift and subtract ... deconstruction,if you will.
It does seem pretty stupid Spring cleaning the 'top' of my iceberg though ... the best way to really make computation savings is getting into the kernel and hardware ... but then if you are in a position of being able to tweak these,i dont think you would be trifling over a few surplus applications ;)

Its probably a degree of 'Windows conditioning' too,where vendor sponsored extras are bolted on,not updated,and become a huge proprietary vulnerability ... also the habit of quitting applications and them still running in the background ... GNU/Linux is a different beast.

Im still not convinced of GNU/Linux stated transparency though (especially since the money rolled in) ... and i seek obfustication - being 'aware',just requires a hint of paranoia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6epzmRZk6UU
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #34 on: 14. April 2016, 21:47:11 »
@ eugen-b: Bloat and poetry? Are you saying the bloat is in the eye of the beholder? Hmmmm...we might not see the poetry, but we see the words and if we understand them, we can hear the poetry.  :P

@ jonathon: I agree with you. When I install a distro, my next step usually is to uninstall anything I don't use or like, then I install my favorite apps. Periodically, I clean up cache and remove unnecessary dependencies. I'm running Manjaro Cinnamon on a 500 GB HDD laptop and I'm only using 8.2 GTB / and 21.7 GB /home, my RAM rarely exceeds 1.5 GB out of 4 GB.  :)

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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #35 on: 14. April 2016, 22:43:52 »
For me the problem with the usual "bloat talk" is not that s.o. expresses his preference for a more or less minimalistic system, but that some take it as an opportunity to show off their (perceived) superiority over others, whom they implicitly see as stupid to run a "bloated" system.
Maybe, Jonathon and g33zr, you would understand better what I mean if you remember that I'm quite new to Linux and see it more as a toy which is still fun for me to take apart and put together. At the moment the game with the toy for me is to set up a minimalistic system (being still usable for me). The next game could become to try out "all" packages to know what they are good for.
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #36 on: 15. April 2016, 08:11:37 »
"Bloat" is having crap--a/k/a, applications I never use and never will--needlessly installed on my computer. What, oh what, pray, is the sense in that?

Do you ever get the Extra Value Bigger-than-crap Meal at McDonalds, even though you can't eat it all but it was a good deal?

Is it a race to have as many packages installed as possible--as many DEs, as many distros, as many OSs--as possible? Does that gain a person bragging rights? Do we have a thread, "How minimal or maximal is your (whatever)" with posters taking both sides of the road?  =)

The OPs topic is what bloat to remove. He meant packages. I don't suppose we could take this topic at face value? Nah.  >:D

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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #37 on: 15. April 2016, 09:29:59 »
Hmm yeah,i guess we all got a bit dreamy eyed about concepts and personal preferences (i include myself)

So ... heres the breakdown

If you want GTK2 ... use Cinnamon or Mate
If you want GTK3 ... use Budgie or Pantheon
Or if you want to keep a full set of GTK utlilities and server capabilities,keep right on with GNOME

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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #38 on: 15. April 2016, 10:06:41 »
isn't cinnamon gtk3 ?
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #39 on: 15. April 2016, 10:23:17 »
isn't cinnamon gtk3 ?
yeah,its a bit difficult to categorise - like Pantheon does this weird thing with GObj and Vala ...
so essentially theres a lot of choice ... and if you have the mind to want 'bloat-free' your GNOME,you will probably find a GTK-based DE/WM that will have done most of the heavy lifting ... alternatively GNOME is known for versatility so you can load a Basic GNOME at boot.

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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #40 on: 15. April 2016, 13:46:48 »
Sorry ive lost it  ::)
Sit back, take a deep breath, and fart loud.
Perhaps we need a new thread with fresh discussions  C:-)
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #41 on: 15. April 2016, 20:41:12 »
At the moment the game with the toy for me is to set up a minimalistic system

Right, so this might be a language thing. A minimal system is perfectly valid and you'd normally start from a minimal base (Arch installer, Manjaro NET, Ubuntu mini.iso) and build up. Doing it the other way (and along the way intimating the default setup of fully-featured desktop is 'bloated') is, dare I say, the wrong way.

So, to get back to the OP: to remove unused applications you uninstall them. I think that's all there is to it?
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #42 on: 15. April 2016, 21:32:40 »
Right, so this might be a language thing. A minimal system is perfectly valid and you'd normally start from a minimal base (Arch installer, Manjaro NET, Ubuntu mini.iso) and build up. Doing it the other way (and along the way intimating the default setup of fully-featured desktop is 'bloated') is, dare I say, the wrong way.

So, to get back to the OP: to remove unused applications you uninstall them. I think that's all there is to it?

Hmmm, the "other way" is the simplest. If everyone faces the same problems ...  :(
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #43 on: 17. April 2016, 10:25:32 »
Gnome is very bloated and some of its processes are autostarted in other DEs as well. So to unbloat gnome I always get rid of evolution (all dependent packages, as well evolution database) and telepathy. That helps to downsize initial RAM usage (also in all other installed DEs).

It's completely safe to remove it if you don't use any evolution dependent programs.

Since I prefer octopi then pamac, my gnome uninstall list looks like that:

evolution
evolution-data-center
empathy
pamac

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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #44 on: 17. April 2016, 14:11:12 »
Gnome is very bloated and some of its processes are autostarted in other DEs as well. So to unbloat gnome I always get rid of evolution (all dependent packages, as well evolution database) and telepathy. That helps to downsize initial RAM usage (also in all other installed DEs).

It's completely safe to remove it if you don't use any evolution dependent programs.

Since I prefer octopi then pamac, my gnome uninstall list looks like that:

evolution
evolution-data-center
empathy
pamac
whoa slow down. Evolution is nice, evolution is life. Daddy's gotta read some mails fam. You just gotta deal with tracker+miner and telepathy+empathy, they hog the resources :)
Evolution and Kmail are supposed to be all-in-one apps, and some people want that stuff. Don;t be so mean.
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