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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #15 on: 14. April 2016, 04:08:28 »
if Virtualbox GUI use qt4 library, but arch/manjaro will install all qt4 bloat for you
it's not a bloat you pineapple, it's called a bloody dependency. Don;t blame arch/manjaro, every GNU and BSD system does this. Feel free to not install any qt applications.
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #16 on: 14. April 2016, 04:38:50 »
it's not a bloat you pineapple, it's called a bloody dependency. Don;t blame arch/manjaro, every GNU and BSD system does this. Feel free to not install any qt applications.

No, I am not complaining arch/manjaro.

the dependency design maybe from its KISS policy.
arch* doesn't split packages into smaller pieces as dependencies need.(say, libqt4core, libqt4-dev, libqt4-help, libqt4-opengl, etc in debian* system)
In Debian* series, it won't install all qt4* for you when you install virtualbox gui.
So if I really care about disk usage, I won't use arch* :)

and actually, I don't care about disk usage that much.
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #17 on: 14. April 2016, 04:54:17 »
"Dammit, Jim--I'm a pineapple, not a bloody dependency!"
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #18 on: 14. April 2016, 05:00:42 »
"Dammit, Jim--I'm a pineapple, not a bloody dependency!"

sorry off topic. what does pineapple mean here?
(I only know it is a kind of fruit)  :-[

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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #19 on: 14. April 2016, 05:06:18 »
sorry off topic. what does pineapple mean here?
(I only know it is a kind of fruit)  :-[

I means nothing that I can discern. Just badbodh going of his meds, if anything. We generally try to pay him nevermind. We think he perhaps fell out of the crib, hitting his head too often. We usually just toss him a banana or two, even a pineapple, but he hasn't been dodging them well as of late. Perhaps that's where it originated.

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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #20 on: 14. April 2016, 05:14:25 »
Pineapple is totally random "censor word". I meant to say *********

P.S. don;t count the stars, i added a few to obfuscate the word length.
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #21 on: 14. April 2016, 05:38:48 »
i dunno pineapples have a prehistoric symbol of good will ... even illustrious http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/23/beauman.php

theres always https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yhT9i7y0iM :)
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #22 on: 14. April 2016, 05:51:39 »
i dunno pineapples have a prehistoric symbol of good will ... even illustrious http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/23/beauman.php

theres always https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yhT9i7y0iM :)

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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #23 on: 14. April 2016, 08:18:05 »
i got an 8.5 GB system, and i don't even use gnome-shell. And i don't consider my system a bloated one. I have exactly what i need.
Looks like someone is getting influenced by trolls on the webs.  Bloat isn't always "disk usage" , or "number of packages", or "ram usage". Some idiots who can;t install a proper arch system tend to make fun of folks who install and use more packages than they do. Only way to shut them up is using a bare kernel with nothing but glibc and bash on top of it and howl "Look! No bloat!"

The only things that, in all intent and purpose, bloat gnome-shell are
1. empathy+everything about telepathy (chat)
2. tracker+online-miners (file indexing)

Get rid of these and you can install 100 apps without any performance impact

I agree mostly with this statement.

For me bloat is Software, that I don't use or will never use. For this exact reason, KDE/Plasma is way to bloated for me, because I have my preferred applications, which are not "K" applications.

The least bloated setup you can make on Manjaro, would be install Net Edition, then install only what you want onto that. This is almost as bloat free as Arch Linux. Almost.
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #24 on: 14. April 2016, 08:57:11 »
I agree boycotting libraries,widgets,dependencies,etc can provide a clean interface and coherent filesystem ... but lately ive been trying a different tact,and coming up with some pleasant outcomes ... thought id smudge the boundaries and mix it up a little - using a Qt package doesnt necessarily mean a larger use of your disc compared to a comparison,and judicial management of dependencies between libraries can yeild better performance ...and it keeps your options open ...

Feeling your way around,installing and then seeing what you can honeycomb ... objective ... unite 'the reasons i need to use a computer' and 'provide my hardware with the necessary tools to make 'its' life easier' ...

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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #25 on: 14. April 2016, 15:48:10 »
I try to take the easy route: Bloat, to me, is anything not necessary to the operation of my computer, the current DE/WM, and the applications I have installed.

Since I install the base, the DE, and only the packages I want/use, my system is always bloat-free from the beginning. I have done this with Debian Testing, Manjaro (from  NET), and Arch. I know it is a personal preference, but I have found this method to yield a trouble-free (as much as possible) system that runs as well as my hardware will allow it. And that is regardless of how 'big' or small a DE or WM is (supposed to be). :D

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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #26 on: 14. April 2016, 21:08:16 »
This is stupid. Installed applications are not "bloat", they are installed applications. "Bloat" is where applications unnecessarily gain features and so CPU/RAM requirements, i.e. the application becomes bloated.

If anything, GNOME is slimmer than it has ever been. The Manjaro installer provides pre-installed packages that a majority of people find useful. Saving 5GB of disk (if it even needs that much) is negligible - and what's the point of having an empty hard drive anyway?

The OS doesn't run slower the more applications you have installed, so what on Earth is the problem?
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #27 on: 14. April 2016, 21:12:42 »
less packages - faster updates  :P
but it is more an aestetic attitude
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #28 on: 14. April 2016, 21:15:40 »
Well yes. That still doesn't qualify as "bloat".

Aesthetics? Can you "see" the packages? Do they spoil the view of the desktop? What?

It's a pointless optimisation, if you can even call it that.

It's exactly the same as "OMG Manjaro uses all my RAM! Look, I have 16GB but only 4GB is free!"
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #29 on: 14. April 2016, 21:19:22 »
Aestetics doesn't neccesarily have a rational explanition. It also isn't limited to what we see, we don't see poetry either. I'm not trolling!
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