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How to/what bloat to remove
« on: 06. March 2016, 22:11:11 »
I just installed the Gnome version on my desktop just to try something different, and I was kind of dissapointed at how much bloat there is. I suppose the KDE version has quite a bit as well, but it isn't as noticeable because it's all in folders and menus. Can someone guide me through uninstalling all the bloat, especially the games and such. I tried doing it myself but somehow deleted a dependancy for the settings menu, so I reinstalled and want to try removing it all again. Can someone guide me through the process?

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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #1 on: 06. March 2016, 23:53:24 »
pamac has "remove unnecessary deps" option. That makes sure you don't break deps but get maximum clean up.

Official editions (xfce/kde) have minimal iso-s here or you can use netinstall to build a slim lightweight setup.

gnome is a community edition. i didn't find its minimal iso. The only way is to remove stuff one by one. It will be easier to grab xfce-minimal iso and install gnome-shell. Xfce and gnome-shell don't really conflict, it's possible to have a sane setup.
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #2 on: 07. March 2016, 00:02:33 »
I can recommend Budgie. It has a minimal ISO as well.
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #3 on: 07. March 2016, 00:09:40 »
I just installed the Gnome version on my desktop just to try something different, and I was kind of dissapointed at how much bloat there is. I suppose the KDE version has quite a bit as well, but it isn't as noticeable because it's all in folders and menus. Can someone guide me through uninstalling all the bloat, especially the games and such. I tried doing it myself but somehow deleted a dependancy for the settings menu, so I reinstalled and want to try removing it all again. Can someone guide me through the process?

sudo pacman -Rns gnome-extra

...will remove games and a few others you might like, but you can add them back individually.

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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #4 on: 07. March 2016, 01:35:35 »
I don't want to move to a different DE, I actually really like Gnome. I ended up figuring out that all the stuff I didn't want was in the gnome-extras group, and uninstalled all the games and stuff. Much cleaner and much happier :D

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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #5 on: 08. March 2016, 07:35:29 »
Even though Gnome needs a lot of memory the cpu temperature is minimal and the cpu fan runs very low.
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #6 on: 08. March 2016, 09:57:47 »
I go to release a minimal iso for gnome 16.06 and a testing iso soon  ;)

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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #7 on: 13. April 2016, 16:34:42 »
I go to release a minimal iso for gnome 16.06 and a testing iso soon  ;)

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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #8 on: 13. April 2016, 17:55:12 »
I go to release a minimal iso for gnome 16.06 and a testing iso soon  ;)

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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #9 on: 13. April 2016, 23:19:51 »
I am doing the same thing today.

I installed a new majaro gnome 2016.01, upgraded all packages and latest kernel linux46 by
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$ sudo pacman -Syu
$ sudo pacman -S linux46

the disk usage is about 5.6G

I write a python script "remove.py"
there is a list called "must_have" which are
  • packages I want to keep installed.
  • packages that need to boot up
  • packages that need depend on my machine(sound, wireless)

The script looks over all the packages installed, remove them
if they are not in the dependency tree of "must_have".

Run the script by
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$ sudo python2 remove.py

After this, disk usage is "2.5G" now.
All things  works fine, sounds, wireless, login to gnome with only
firefox, nautilus(file manager), terminal, control center, installed

If you want to try the script, just adding packages into "must_have" depend on what you need.
some notice here:
  • grub2 is not in the list because I use refind as boot manger on my iMac
  • I use wireless to connect internet, so some packages are not in the list, such as dhcpd
  • I use ATI graphic card, so I add xf86-video-ati there, choose which for your graphic card.

This may similar if I install archlinux and then install "must_have", just another way to do from manjaro I think.
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #10 on: 13. April 2016, 23:54:11 »
don;t you need dhcpd for dynamic ip address ?
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #11 on: 13. April 2016, 23:57:16 »
don;t you need dhcpd for dynamic ip address ?

As using wireless, seems it don't need dhcpd to get IP address.(cause I checked it is not in `pacman -Q` now)
maybe networkmanger do it for me.

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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #12 on: 14. April 2016, 01:28:02 »
As using wireless, seems it don't need dhcpd to get IP address.(cause I checked it is not in `pacman -Q` now)
maybe networkmanger do it for me.
Don't take this to heart
You need to remove gnome-online-miners few other things from startup,  games do not effect system bloat which is high ram usage when you get it down to around 350mb 64bt with nvidia-non free drivers you will wonder why use anything else, but you have to use Arch-Linux for that? or remove all the Manjaro tools, update-notifier and all that crap modem-manager network-manager if using desktop, dhcpd only uses a few KB
network manager uses 15-30 mb, the same for modem-manager, network-icon 15mb updade icon 30mb, this is what I would call un-needed bloat.
You get all this + programs you don't need by electing to allow someone else to decide for you but complaining about 5gb is a bit sad, win10 with office 2016 and a few app on my desktop is the best part of 50gb 1500mb ram, now that is bloat. LOL :-\
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #13 on: 14. April 2016, 02:20:50 »
i got an 8.5 GB system, and i don't even use gnome-shell. And i don't consider my system a bloated one. I have exactly what i need.
Looks like someone is getting influenced by trolls on the webs.  Bloat isn't always "disk usage" , or "number of packages", or "ram usage". Some idiots who can;t install a proper arch system tend to make fun of folks who install and use more packages than they do. Only way to shut them up is using a bare kernel with nothing but glibc and bash on top of it and howl "Look! No bloat!"

The only things that, in all intent and purpose, bloat gnome-shell are
1. empathy+everything about telepathy (chat)
2. tracker+online-miners (file indexing)

Get rid of these and you can install 100 apps without any performance impact
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Re: How to/what bloat to remove
« Reply #14 on: 14. April 2016, 03:22:21 »
hmm, I should not mention about disk usage here.
(Who really care disk usage won't use manjaro linux IMHO)
(say, if Virtualbox GUI use qt4 library, but arch/manjaro will install all qt4 bloat for you  :P)

I won't want this become off topic to the thread.
just provide a way that maybe can meet his need.