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Vote for your Kernel(s) to be kept!
« on: 18. January 2014, 17:42:26 »
Hi community, we already know that linux312 will be dropped soon by upstream. Greg will still maintain linux34 and linux310 almost thru 2014. Same does Canonical with their ESS kernels (extended stable support). Now I need from our community to know which of these kernels are still needed and which of them I can drop.

Since aufs3.4/8-20131104 was the last release by J. R. Okajima, linux34 and linux38 are already on my hit-list to be removed soon. Since Greg and Canonical still provide their updates for both of them and they won't be part of our install medias it is not so critical that AUFS isn't further developed for those kernels. For now I still maintain all of them until upstream stops pushing out some patches.

Please vote for your kernel(s) and we will know what the trend here with Manjaro is. Multible selections are possible.
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Re: Vote for your Kernel(s) to be kept!
« Reply #1 on: 18. January 2014, 22:47:35 »
As I was expecting 3.8 looks ripe to be dropped.

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Re: Vote for your Kernel(s) to be kept!
« Reply #2 on: 19. January 2014, 11:19:35 »
 :)

Nothing original. 3.10 for LTS and 3.13 for the latest developments.
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Re: Vote for your Kernel(s) to be kept!
« Reply #3 on: 19. January 2014, 12:16:50 »
Nothing original. 3.10 for LTS and 3.13 for the latest developments.

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Re: Vote for your Kernel(s) to be kept!
« Reply #4 on: 19. January 2014, 14:24:18 »
Nothing original. 3.10 for LTS and 3.13 for the latest developments.
same here. 3.10 is good for my old desktop pc, but my notebook depends on 3.12 or newer because of a device specific bug (loops shortly before poweroff and needs manual poweroff) that was fixed in 3.13rc5 and was backported to 3.12, but not 3.10.

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Re: Vote for your Kernel(s) to be kept!
« Reply #5 on: 19. January 2014, 14:39:21 »
For me, the newest kernel would be enough. Maybe we could just keep older kernel on an "as is" basis without further updates, just for those who can't run a newer kernel ?

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Re: Vote for your Kernel(s) to be kept!
« Reply #6 on: 19. January 2014, 14:42:13 »
Hi

3.4 because some machines work fine with.
3.10 and 3.13.
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Re: Vote for your Kernel(s) to be kept!
« Reply #7 on: 19. January 2014, 14:42:22 »
I have also only the 3.13 :)
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Re: Vote for your Kernel(s) to be kept!
« Reply #8 on: 19. January 2014, 15:01:22 »
There is no need for Ubuntu patched kernels this is a arch based system keep it that way. patching brings a host of other problems with it.
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Re: Vote for your Kernel(s) to be kept!
« Reply #9 on: 19. January 2014, 15:24:27 »
Not really, patching brings security. The kernel is independent from the rest of the system (like their upstart or Unity), so Canonical patches are good.

Canonical maintained 3.11 is useful as an LTS for systems that benefit from some stuff that isn't in 3.10 (especially AMD GPU systems).

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Re: Vote for your Kernel(s) to be kept!
« Reply #10 on: 19. January 2014, 15:30:14 »
Remember that every kernel has to be maintained. And the guy who maintains the kernels can't do anything else. So yes, it would be great to have as many kernels as possible to choose from, but then this means that something else won't be fixed or an awesome new feature won't be implemented.

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Re: Vote for your Kernel(s) to be kept!
« Reply #11 on: 19. January 2014, 15:32:46 »
I chose the oldest LTS (3.4) for some old hardware that prefers it, then the newest LTS (3.11) for good general long term stability, and the newest released kernel (3.13) for bleeding edge features and testing.

Please do continue to offer several kernel options for Manjaro, as I feel this is a key advantage of Manjaro. The reality of the Linux kernel is that there are frequent regressions that lead to hardware or functionality bugs. Forcing everyone to use the latest (but not always greatest) version of the kernel isn't good for everyone, whereas using a very old LTS kernel for everyone also isn't ideal. That's why I chose the two LTS kernels plus the newest kernel, which should keep everyone happy, and should still give users a refuge from kernel bugs that pop up in certain versions.

Thanks for all the work that goes into making Manjaro viable for many different users and scenarios!

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Re: Vote for your Kernel(s) to be kept!
« Reply #12 on: 19. January 2014, 15:48:39 »
Normally, it's the 3.10 you must choose for LTS, not the 3.11.

The main team is this of linux torvalds, at kernel.org.

And there, the 3.11 is EOL.
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Re: Vote for your Kernel(s) to be kept!
« Reply #13 on: 19. January 2014, 15:56:25 »
Canonical's SES kernels are vanila kernels. Both maintainers are great people and do a great job. Both kernels will be maintained till mid 2014 by upstream. I can keep them updated also. At one point there will be to many kernels, then I've to decide which kernel I've to drop. In rare cases linux 3.8 is still used. Linux 3.11 is used for hardware having issues with linux312 and higher. Some of them might be fixed in linux 3.13. I expect linux 314 as on of the next LTS kernels by Greg.

This poll is designed to find out how many people still relate on older kernels. Shipping several kernels is a key-feature of Manjaro. If we keep older kernels as is, I've still to maintain all extramodules of that series, since they might change for other kernel series. This topic is far more complex as I wrote it down. I've no issues to build them all. On some point I've to reduce them a little ...

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Re: Vote for your Kernel(s) to be kept!
« Reply #14 on: 19. January 2014, 16:01:58 »
3.11 is patched and validated for the purposes of Canonical, not for those of Arch.

And for the team of Linus, it's EOL.

Do we have the same patches than Canonical ?
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