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Support for Community Editions => LXQt => Topic started by: Esclapion on 09. May 2014, 13:27:36

Title: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 09. May 2014, 13:27:36
Hi all  :)

Presentation

This ISO is the first official result of the merge between the teams Lxde and Razor-Qt. It's well described in THIS POST (https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=12993.msg118836#msg118836).

It's an alpha, but it's very stable and I use it as production environment.  It is nevertheless not intended for absolute beginners.
To made it, I used the kernel 3.12 LTS and manjaroiso 0.8.10pre1.

Its goal is to be light and complete. It will evolve soon to QT5. Currently based on Openbox, Kwin should be offered in the future.


Highlights

- sddm : login manager ;
- openbox : windows manager ;
- installer : Thus and Cli. manjaro-welcome included ;
- icons : oxygen, krat-myrelax, faenza ;
- terminal : lxterminal ;
- packages-manager : octopi :
- editors : leafpad ;
- audio : manjaro-alsa, no pulse ;
- vidéo : flash, smplayer;
- game : aisleriot ;
- internet : qupzilla, hexchat, qbittorrent;
- office : libreoffice-installer ;
- burning : xfburn, isousb ;
- task-manager : qps ;
- composite-manager : compton and its gui, included but disabled by default ;
- others : catfish, file-roller, synapse.


Screenshots

To comply with the graphic Manjaro, I used :

- wallpaper official manjaro black ;
- icons : faenza green ;
- main theme : artwork-menda (thanks PhilM) ;
- openbox theme : ManajroFlat (thanks Rudylorren)

(http://uppix.net/E0iFXb.png)

Known bugs and limitations

- due to a sddm issue, policykit doesnt work with autologin. So, for people using Wifi, you must configure it before autologin ;
- open a folder with a single click is disabled now. The team is working to allow it.


Download link

HERE (https://sourceforge.net/projects/manjarofrance/files/lxde-qt/0.8.10-0.7/)

32 bits CD-Size without nonfree drivers and 64 bits with proprietary drivers are available.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: axel668 on 09. May 2014, 14:09:49
Fantastic, gonna try this today :)
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: excalibur1234 on 09. May 2014, 15:26:15
wow.
you got this version running much faster than i thought. good job.

i am going to test it right now.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 09. May 2014, 15:32:55
I'm now uploading the 64 bits.  ;)
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: ruziel on 09. May 2014, 15:39:42
Hi Esclapion.

That's fast! I only read the news about the merging of the two teams, a few days back & you already have an ISO available. I look forward to hearing the feedback.

Go well meantime & thanks for taking the time to do this.

Ruziel  ;)
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 09. May 2014, 17:37:37
64 bits uploaded. Thanks all for your support.  ;)
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: samigina on 09. May 2014, 17:42:09
Downloading the 64 iso!
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: LCJr on 09. May 2014, 18:05:27
Thanks again.  I'll have a look before the day is out.  Completely trivial but I really want to see if I can find that pizza cutter and replace it.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: gohlip on 09. May 2014, 18:39:35
Thanks also. Will download and test.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: LCJr on 09. May 2014, 20:08:34
CLI installer working, thank you.  Menu is much improved and everything is in English. 

Qupzilla crashed on first launch, looked like it was trying to restore your last session.  Most visited shows your last searches, did you find Aurora for Openbox?  At least you weren't looking for porn :)

In the limited time I've spent with it my only complaints are with LXQT itself and a lot of that is probably just my complete lack of understanding how it all works.

Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Hertz on 09. May 2014, 20:13:27
Hi everyone,

i am downloaded this new distro and i have mount it on my old laptop machine at 32bit as architecture.  :)

Work well.

Good work Esclapion.  :)
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: samigina on 09. May 2014, 20:22:02
Hi, live session works great.

In the GUI installer the mouse pointer gets inverted.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: samigina on 09. May 2014, 20:40:41
Octopi crashes with:

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LxQtGuiPlatformPlugin::platformHint() is called
LxQtGuiPlatformPlugin::platformHint() is called
LxQtGuiPlatformPlugin::platformHint() is called
ASSERT: "!isEmpty()" in file /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h, line 284
Abortado (`core' generado)
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 09. May 2014, 20:53:35
Do a  first sudo pacman -Syy to initialize the data bases of pacman before.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: samigina on 09. May 2014, 23:43:46
Do a  first sudo pacman -Syy to initialize the data bases of pacman before.

That solved the problem. Thank you.

I was playing with the Lxqt themes, and modified the original Ambiance to something more flat:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/637058/Captura%20de%20pantalla%20de%202014-05-09%2016%3A33%3A18.png)

If anyone like it just etract and copy to /usr/share/lxqt/themes/

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/637058/FlatGrey.tar.gz (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/637058/FlatGrey.tar.gz)
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: LCJr on 10. May 2014, 02:53:26
Esclapion are you in contact with the LXQT folks?  Or do you know where bugs should be reported?  Just found out pcmanfm-qt doesn't care for Buuf.  Icon set uses mainly 128x128 pixel icons and pcmanfm isn't scaling them in the main window.
 (http://thumbnails109.imagebam.com/32572/7a1e56325713441.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/7a1e56325713441)

That drag and drop menu in pcmanfm is pretty annoying too.  And the "Do you really want to log out" popup.

Also any idea what's needed to get conky to display?  Got it:
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own_window_class Conky
own_window_argb_visual no
(http://thumbnails112.imagebam.com/32572/3eb6db325715972.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/3eb6db325715972)
Getting some artifacts on the network icon.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 10. May 2014, 11:42:10
Hi LCJr,  :)

Look at the link (https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=12993.msg118836#msg118836), in the OP. There is something about bug report.

I'm on the mailing list, but I use only it for blocking problems, It's not done for that.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: aranwe on 10. May 2014, 11:57:51
How much RAM is eating?
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 10. May 2014, 12:04:24
How much RAM is eating?

It's not especially optimized for that now. In VBox, with the 32 bits, I use :

(http://uppix.net/0Mik6i.png)

thus, 124 Mo.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: aranwe on 10. May 2014, 12:16:21
Wow this is nice.
Tnx.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: excalibur1234 on 10. May 2014, 15:29:53
That drag and drop menu in pcmanfm is pretty annoying too.  And the "Do you really want to log out" popup.
i agree.

in my opinion, there are still some setting options missing, e.g. to turn off the log out popup and other stuff. but this desktop is not finished yet.

at this point, i am not going to install it on my main system, but i am going to follow the development closely in the future - it is a really interesting project and i definitely share their mindset.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 10. May 2014, 15:38:56
For the bad init of qupzilla, a simple solution :

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rm -rf .config/qupzilla
It must solve definitively the problem. May be, I will change it with an opening on manjaro.org.

For the necessary pacman -Syy, who must be currentlly necessary for all distros now, two solutions :
- suppress the PhilM optimization about suppressing pacman databases, and I lose few Mo ;
- discuss with Arnt about that.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 10. May 2014, 15:41:10
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turn off the log out popup and other stuff.
all DE have that, no ? It asks for confirmation, it's all.

What exactly do you want ?
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: excalibur1234 on 10. May 2014, 15:45:53
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turn off the log out popup and other stuff.
all DE have that, no ? It asks for confirmation, it's all.

What exactly do you want ?

yes. all DEs have that.

i would like a settings option to turn the confirmation dialogue off.
this cannot be achieved by you, though. it must be implemented into lxqt.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 10. May 2014, 15:56:43
OK. In xfce, I have two dangerous button to do that. Left for reboot, and right for shutdown, without confirmation.

May be I can create a shortcut in the taskar for reboot ?

For Qupzilla, not solved. I will have a look on the Net.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: gohlip on 10. May 2014, 16:02:14
Installed latest 64 bit iso.  And since I had previous version, it meets expectation.
And I again think it's very suitable for most linux beginners and for slightly advanced users needing some less bloated DE.
(I think Enlightenment is creeping to be more bloated, Elementary is not minimal;  and...openbox, fluxbox, awesome, etc is only suitable for more advanced users)

So, thanks again.

Oh, PcManFM.
Still no single-click?
It's available in PcManFM of other Manjaro's DE.
Why not in LXQT?

ps: have to manually put numlock in .xprofile
autologin is fine.

And why not linux313 instead of 312? Not an issue, just asking.
Personal opinion - confirmation for shutdown/reboot is fine and should be default. But there must be a way to disable that.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 10. May 2014, 16:32:55
Thanks for the test.

Answer for the single-click (PCMan) :

Quote
Oops!
I forgot to hide that option.
It does not work at the moment.
While it's very easy to enable single click, it's not as easy to
handle hover-selection.
If items are activated on click, then we need other ways to select them.
Qt has no built-in support for selecting items on hover.
So I need to implement this myself for all kinds of item view, which
is more than trivial.
I'll do it later.

Thus, demand done.

For numlock, I can easily add it, but with wich value : on or off ?

Qupzilla is a good browser, and qt based, but it has this problem on unstable initialization, and its git version refers to kde-wallet, that I do not want for the moment.

Arora doesn't work, and is orphaned since several years.

So, for the moment, I think to replace qupzilla by midori.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: ringo on 10. May 2014, 16:41:46
there is also cupzilla-qt5
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 10. May 2014, 16:50:37
there is also cupzilla-qt5

qupzilla-qt5 ?

I skipped it, because of 0 votes.

I tried now : 105 Mo* to install, and same initialization problem.

(edit)
*14,7 Mo installed, but I dont know what it adds.

Why not icecat ?

(re-edit)
I do a try with icecat
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: LCJr on 10. May 2014, 17:28:13
How much RAM is eating?

64-bit with Nvidia drivers.  Shows ~350-360 Mb in conky.  ~330 Mb with ps_mem.  edit> That's on actual hardware not a vm.

For numlock, I can easily add it, but with wich value : on or off ?
I think you want off.  They were discussing that for Openbox and what I got out of it was having it on by default screws with laptops.

Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: gohlip on 10. May 2014, 17:29:11
Answer for the single-click (PCMan) :
Thus,  done.
Thanks.
Quote
For numlock, I can easily add it, but with wich value : on or off ?
on, of course, but it's okay not to be default (for labtop users)
but numlock should be made easy to implement,
say in ~/.config/lxqt/autostart and "numlockx" (default "#numlockx")
rather than in ~/.xprofile and "/usr/bin/numlockx on &"

Re: browser
As long there's one, it doesn't matter which one.
Preferably without pulling in all the dependencies.
Most of us use/install  our favourite anyway and uninstall the default.
Use whatever you like. Mathematically speaking, most of us will disagree with you anyway.  :)



Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: LCJr on 10. May 2014, 17:49:17
Re: browser
As long there's one, it doesn't matter which one.
Preferably without pulling in all the dependencies.
Most of us use/install  our favourite anyway and uninstall the default.
Use whatever you like. Mathematically speaking, most of us will disagree with you anyway.  :)

Maybe add Turbulence?
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Verändert2.0 on 10. May 2014, 19:07:35
Great job, Esclapion. I like it. You should keep Qupzilla which runs stable here. And numlock is a PITA for laptop users IMHO.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 10. May 2014, 19:17:15
I'm not sure.

LCJr think off, Gohlip say on, and Verändert ?  ;D (so, maybe a task)

For Turbulence, I added it in the past, and it was not fully operable for me. I will have a look again.

For qupzilla, I continue to search. I asked for it on the IRC  #qupzilla

It's the best choice for the moment, if I can solve it.  ;)
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 10. May 2014, 21:55:20
Modifs done

1) task NumLock added to autostart, default on ;

2) qupzilla : problem solved, opening on manjaro.org ;

3) kernel 3.14 ;

4) turbulence added, but to the 64 bits version only. For the moment, must be launched from the console. Functionnalities seem not bad, but to test one per one ;

5) database of pacman initialized (thus, the problem of 1st launch of Octopi disapears). manjaroiso modified for that.

I dont know if an upload is interesting. Maybe I wait for other changes...
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: gohlip on 10. May 2014, 22:27:48
Some small things (ie., not important, but nice to have)

"Leave" (at systems--> leave) button/icon currently not able to put on panel.
In fact, panel widget cannot 'add' any widget. (maybe related to the "Qt has no built-in support for selecting items on hover" you mentioned - (but kde, which is qt can?))

Some "pop up" currently in French language.   [Nice, but can we have one or two in Chinese too?  ;) - just kidding]




Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 10. May 2014, 22:59:27
I dont know exactly was an "hover' is.

you can add to the panel what you want, with an drag & drop ?

Which popups, for example ? Are there some in dutch, lol ?  ;)
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: LCJr on 10. May 2014, 23:02:41
Hover maybe mouseover?

Dutch?  Did you have ringo helping?

Have you tried conky Esclapion?  Not behaving properly for me.  I can get it to display but when I set a margin in Openbox's rc.xml on the next boot conky is drawn outside the margin which kinda defeats the purpose.  Are there some other desktop/margins controls I'm missing?
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 10. May 2014, 23:05:19
I dont know well how a conky works, so I have not tried it.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: gohlip on 10. May 2014, 23:34:38
Heh heh heh. Yeah, mouse over then pop up. Some in French. Good one, guys. (Ringo is innocent bystander who got caught in between ya?)
Drag and drop to panel works for most, but not the "leave" (shutdown/reboot/logoff).

Like I said, not important. (but the fun was)

Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: LCJr on 10. May 2014, 23:46:49
What is the LXQT Desktop?  PCManFM daemon or a completely separate module?
(http://thumbnails110.imagebam.com/32589/9060ce325882120.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/9060ce325882120)
Anyway it's sleeping now and conky is working properly.  Had to add Nitrogen to get the wallpaper back and threw in Obmenu-Gen just because.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 11. May 2014, 00:10:42
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What is the LXQT Desktop?  PCManFM daemon or a completely separate module?

It's build from 30 git, for the moment. pcmanfm-qt is one of them.

Have a look HERE (http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Build_LXDE-Qt_From_Source).

(edit)
I tried nitrogen but not retained, not really well working. Later, maybe.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 11. May 2014, 00:15:03
Re,

for the menu, I have alacarte installed. It works good enough.

(http://uppix.net/Og97ek.png)
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: LCJr on 11. May 2014, 00:19:50
I'm not suggesting using Nitrogen more just trying to figure out what was screwing with conky.  I just added Nitrogen to the Session Settings > Autostart with the same command I use in Openbox:  nitrogen --restore &

You probably already know Nitrogen has a GUI but doesn't have .desktop file.  So you have make your own .desktop or launch from terminal.

Menu, mouseover tooltips for Xfburn and Isousb are in French.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 11. May 2014, 00:23:05
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Menu, mouseover tooltips for Xfburn and Isousb are in French.

OK, I will have a look. Strange for xfburn.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: bobc on 11. May 2014, 05:36:42
I was able to run the live version and install with the graphical installer just fine. 

A minor problem I found was that it was difficult to see if checkboxes were checked or not due to the color and shape of the checkmark. 

It would take more space on the CD, but seamonkey uses a lot less memory than qupzilla.  The good news is that both worked. 

I also noticed it was using about 170 mb of memory once x was up and running, which would be ok for someone with 1 gb, but not leave much room for applications on a 512 mb machine.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 11. May 2014, 10:48:55
Hi  :)

Quote
A minor problem I found was that it was difficult to see if checkboxes were checked or not due to the color and shape of the checkmark. 
Yes, the problem has been reported. As this theme will become the official Manjaro, I think it will be fixed soon.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: excalibur1234 on 12. May 2014, 02:12:55
i just watched the latest linux action show. the biggest segment is about lxqt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YQpwoxBAY8
(start watching at around 33:30 minutes)

this was a pleasant surprise. they somehow seem to understand that the future for lxqt looks bright.
i do not agree with everything they say (especially in other parts than the lxqt part), but it will definitely generate momentum for lxqt.
i hope this momentum will carry lxqt a long way into the future!


edit: i think, everybody has seen this manjaro blog post: http://manjaro.org/2014/05/09/spatry-shows-you-how-to-install-lxqt/
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: gohlip on 12. May 2014, 03:55:51
Installed dolphin on LXQT. Did not pull in much dependencies. Works fine (single click). Afterwords install konsole (for the heck of it), seems to pull in much much less (probably after dolphin).
Thought I'll let you know. Maybe.......k3b (loved this, won't use others)  and ....kdebase  :)

[edit] - But note the apps are all nested in System Tools.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: gohlip on 12. May 2014, 11:11:45
At this time, is it possible to install lxqt from netinstall?
Noted the present lxqt comes with openbox; if I install from netinstall, must I install openbox?
What display manager should I use? Must it be kdm or can I use others?
I note there is no package named 'lxqt' or prefixed-lxqt. Is package available?
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 12. May 2014, 11:25:08
@ excalibur1234 ; thanks, I will try to watch, with the english subtitles.

Quote
At this time, is it possible to install lxqt from netinstall?

yes and no. You can follow THAT (http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Build_LXDE-Qt_From_Source). For the moment, two of the modules are only on my PC, and I must write a metamodule to install the 25-30 others.

Almost 30' of compilation on my PC.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: gohlip on 12. May 2014, 11:54:16
Okay. Will wait for you to do all the ground work.
After installing dolphin, okular, k3b, kate etc...and uninstalling lxterminal, pcmanfm, leafpad, etc...found that lxqt is quite modular (or rather kde/qt is quite modular). That's why lxqt has potential.

Cheers and thanks.

ps: still loved Manjaro's Openbox!
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 12. May 2014, 11:59:07
lxqt is not kde. The main problem is to have something complete without kde_base, etc...

If one day we have kwin on lxqt, it will be without kde_base.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: gohlip on 12. May 2014, 11:59:26

Okay. Will wait for you to do all the ground work.
After installing dolphin, okular, k3b, kate etc...and uninstalling lxterminal, pcmanfm, leafpad, etc...found that lxqt is quite modular (or rather kde/qt is quite modular). That's why lxqt has potential.

Cheers and thanks.

ps:
understand kde5 will similarly be much modular.
still loved Manjaro's Openbox!
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: gohlip on 12. May 2014, 12:02:39
lxqt is not kde. The main problem is to have something complete without kde_base, etc...

If one day we have kwin on lxqt, it will be without kde_base.

Yes, I understand. Just saying kde will be more modular in future, no need to install kdebase (which I did not in the lxqt install, I was just kidding)
By installing even dolphin now, it did not pull in the dependencies. I was thinking it might, but it did'nt.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: excalibur1234 on 12. May 2014, 12:13:54
At this time, is it possible to install lxqt from netinstall?
if you want to install on a net install, do the following:
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sudo pacman -S base-devel yaourt sddm openbox
yaourt -S lxqt-desktop-git --noconfirm
sudo systemctl enable sddm
reboot
now, you have to set sddm to use lxqt desktop as the default DE. you can also use another display manager if you want, choose one from here: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Install_Display_Managers


edit: to install the net edition, do this: after the default login ( manjaro - manjaro ) of the live cd:
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sudo setup
reboot
sudo pacman-mirrors -g
sudo pacman -Syyuu
sudo pacman -Syyuu
reboot

edit2: i recommend to install some very basic additional software:
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sudo pacman -S lxterminal octopi

edit3: if you want to know how to get a wallpaper and other things you can do after a successful installation of lxqt, watch this video: http://manjaro.org/2014/05/09/spatry-shows-you-how-to-install-lxqt/



@Esclapion: have you tried to install lxqt using  yaourt -S lxqt-desktop-git ?

Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: gohlip on 12. May 2014, 12:20:18
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i always tried it on the openbox edition. if i want to install it on a net install, i would do the following:

Thanks and appreciate your comments, excalibur. Got it.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 12. May 2014, 12:48:42
Ah, thanks. I searched lxqt-desktop. One task less.

(edit)

But some packages are missing. I hope the dependencies brings those.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: john29 on 12. May 2014, 13:09:40
 Esclapion your doing a good job to get LXQT moving in right way,
you can use compiz or kwin or (kwin-standalone-git) Windows Manager without Kdebase-workspace
Razor-qt is dead,but a the moment it is better LXqt
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 12. May 2014, 13:18:37
Compiz is almost dead. kwin standalone doesn't work really good without kde-workspace. Some supplementary work is necessary to integrate kwibn in lxqt. But it interests some devs.

The team razor-qt is now working for lxqt, and the control center of lxqt come from them. What has for the moment razor-qt of more ? I did my screenshot with faenza for reasons of Manajro graphic, but with Oxygen it's at 90% the same.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: john29 on 12. May 2014, 13:48:02
Kwin -stanalone -git work really well I use it for over a year,and Rob has done a lot of work compiz 8, & 9,but just saying you can use alter
windows manager to openbox
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 12. May 2014, 13:54:34
You have kde_base installed or not ? If yes, for me, it's not standalone.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: excalibur1234 on 12. May 2014, 14:14:40
i have successfully installed lxqt on the manjaro net edition.
i have edited my post accordingly: https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=13257.msg120051#msg120051
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 12. May 2014, 14:19:24
To answer the question of this post, no. I  note that you issue the command twice, so the order must be bad for dependencies.

I have my own list, that I use only once. And some modules are not in this list or in AUR.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: john29 on 12. May 2014, 14:37:04
Kdebase-workspace is not install,and you cannot install kwin-standalone-git if you have it install
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 12. May 2014, 18:25:34
If it interests somebody, I did a little .desktop to reboot without confirmation :

Code: [Select]
[Desktop Entry]
Version=1.0
Type=Application
Name=Reboot
Comment=Restart the PC without confirmation
Icon=gnome-session-reboot
Exec=systemctl reboot
NoDisplay=false
Categories=Utility;
StartupNotify=false
Terminal=false
NoDisplay=true

and I added it to the taskbar.

I don't know the command for logout, by cons.*

(edit)

*killall lxqt-session works, but... ?
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: excalibur1234 on 12. May 2014, 18:53:09
If it interests somebody, I did a little .desktop to reboot without onfirmation :
I don't know the command for logout, by cons.

thanks a lot.
can you do a "shutdown" icon as well?


if you do not know how to do it, try to use one of the following commands:
sudo shutdown 0
sudo poweroff
sudo halt
sudo init 0
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 12. May 2014, 18:56:05
It was only an example.  ;) If the users will have buttons, it's easy to do. But I can't leave a button "reboot" or "halt" without confirmation in the ISO, too dangerous for beginners.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: LCJr on 12. May 2014, 19:30:39
if you do not know how to do it, try to use one of the following commands:
sudo shutdown 0
sudo poweroff
sudo halt
sudo init 0
No need for sudo.
systemctl reboot / systemctl poweroff
reboot / poweroff


Not a suggestion Esclapion  :)  For anyone looking for a KDE-free file manager we have qtfm and doublecmd-qt in the repos.  doublecmd-qt requires udisks if you want to be able to see your other volumes and optical drives.  That should really be listed as an optional depend at the very least.  Of course there's more qt fm's in the AUR.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 12. May 2014, 19:35:31
udisk2 is installed by default. Udisk not, I dont know why, maybe a an oversight on my part ? But from pcman, I see all the others partitions and I can mount them.

(edit)
for the moment, pcmanfm-qt is the official file manager, I dont think to replace it. It's an important part.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: LCJr on 12. May 2014, 19:53:40
Like I said not a suggestion for you.  Udisks has been pretty much replaced by udisks2 so you don't need it.  I understand you want to stay with a 'pure' LXQT setup. 

The suggestion was for those who might not be thrilled with PCManFM-QT in it's current state of development. 
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: sdch on 12. May 2014, 20:37:21
is there any chance that a version of lxqt 0.7 with out need to compile (per-compiled versions) will arrive in repo?
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 12. May 2014, 20:49:07
0.7 is an alpha, and the whole project is in develoment. So, too early.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: sdch on 12. May 2014, 20:59:00
0.7 is an alpha, and the whole project is in develoment. So, too early.

just as i thought  :)
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 12. May 2014, 22:40:31
As E-mail notifier, I use checkgmail. Works perfect, with an icon in the notification area.

But only for gmail.  ;)

For weather, typhoon is very light, but no icon.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: SPOFF on 12. May 2014, 23:05:34
Cool! This will save me a lot of effort and time. I am running LXQT on Ubuntu 14.04 with the Lubuntu daily PPA. They are sending me 10 to 20 updates every day. Will Yaourt also update?
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 12. May 2014, 23:12:12
I don't think than lxqt will have so many updates, my ISO is recent. They are probably for Ubuntu?

In all cases, yaourt -Syua must do the necessary updates, yes. We are connected directly to the git of lxqt.

Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: SPOFF on 13. May 2014, 01:52:17
Very good work on your ISO. It is more complete than the Ubuntu spin I had to build from scratch. And I've used Razor-qt for 15 months and know that DE very well.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: DiscipleOfDante on 13. May 2014, 03:17:47
Lots of GTK applications, seems kind of wrong for the Qt version of LXDE. Perhaps there could be a version that is more Qt pure? Other than that it seems rather nice, I look forward to trying it out. Finally a DE that will be Qt without being KDE. I love KDE but it is so resource hungry that I really feel the need for something lighter. Also can we talk about LXQt's logo? So pretty
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: sdch on 13. May 2014, 05:46:21
Lots of GTK applications, seems kind of wrong for the Qt version of LXDE. Perhaps there could be a version that is more Qt pure? Other than that it seems rather nice, I look forward to trying it out. Finally a DE that will be Qt without being KDE. I love KDE but it is so resource hungry that I really feel the need for something lighter. Also can we talk about LXQt's logo? So pretty

the problem is most of the qt apps are in aur only..........
notable exceptions which can be had in iso instead of gtk counterparts are transmission-qt/qbittorent, quassel,tea,clementine/qmmp,
trojita
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: DiscipleOfDante on 13. May 2014, 06:39:38
True but LXQt is pulled from AUR too. I mean no reason not to use the aUR really.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: sdch on 13. May 2014, 07:16:57
True but LXQt is pulled from AUR too. I mean no reason not to use the aUR really.

Can you rely on aur for creating an iso ... lxqt is an exception( the whole purpose of iso itself is to create an iso based on lxqt, other apps must be from repos only). i use an app from aur only when it is absolutely necessary....
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Verändert2.0 on 13. May 2014, 07:22:01
Indeed. Anyone can contribute to AUR and if the user doesn't check the installs or updates, probably no one will. Therefore AUR is less secure than the mother ship. Check for alternatives there prior to installing from AUR.

I think with LQqt hopefully growing, more packages will move to main repos.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Kurisutian on 13. May 2014, 08:14:34
How about adding an eMail client like trojita?
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 13. May 2014, 09:35:44
True but LXQt is pulled from AUR too. I mean no reason not to use the aUR really.

Until recently, some lxqt modules of AUR were not compiling.

Currently, there still lacks two modules.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 13. May 2014, 09:44:02
How about adding an eMail client like trojita?

Hi  :)

Until now, I didn't know trojita. But it's in community, so it's easy to add with pacman.

I used Thunderbird for years and now directly gmail. If I added an eMail client, I think it would be Thunderbird, well known.

Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: NickStone on 13. May 2014, 10:46:53
Anyone know if it is possible to build/compile PCMANFM-QT from AUR for another desktop other than LXQT?

I have Razor-QT that I wanted to install PCMANFM-QT for that but when I tried to install from AUR it failed, I am assuming because it is has been built for LXQT only in AUR.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: AJSlye on 13. May 2014, 12:50:41
Yes, it will build just fine.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 13. May 2014, 13:04:25
For info, there is no more new version of razor-qt planned.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: NickStone on 13. May 2014, 13:08:55
For info, there is no more new version of razor-qt planned.

I know.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: ewolnux on 13. May 2014, 13:55:31
if you want to install on a net install, do the following:
Code: [Select]
sudo pacman -S base-devel yaourt sddm openbox
yaourt -S lxqt-desktop-git --noconfirm
sudo systemctl enable sddm
reboot
now, you have to set sddm to use lxqt desktop as the default DE. you can also use another display manager if you want, choose one from here: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Install_Display_Managers


edit: to install the net edition, do this: after the default login ( manjaro - manjaro ) of the live cd:
Code: [Select]
sudo setup
reboot
sudo pacman-mirrors -g
sudo pacman -Syyuu
sudo pacman -Syyuu
reboot

edit2: i recommend to install some very basic additional software:
Code: [Select]
sudo pacman -S lxterminal octopi

edit3: if you want to know how to get a wallpaper and other things you can do after a successful installation of lxqt, watch this video: http://manjaro.org/2014/05/09/spatry-shows-you-how-to-install-lxqt/
Hi excalibur1234

Installing LXQT from net-edition :

(http://nsa33.casimages.com/img/2014/05/13/140513015452894997.jpg)

Installation details here (http://manjaro.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=3988).
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: LCJr on 14. May 2014, 02:51:48
Anyone know if it is possible to build/compile PCMANFM-QT from AUR for another desktop other than LXQT?

I have Razor-QT that I wanted to install PCMANFM-QT for that but when I tried to install from AUR it failed, I am assuming because it is has been built for LXQT only in AUR.

It's possible.  I downloaded libqtxdg-git, liblxqt-git and pcmanfm-qt-git and built with make in that order.  Used makepkg -csi for the first two and makepkg -csir for the final.

If pcmanfm doesn't do it for you have a look at doublecmd-qt in community repo.  Doublecmd-qt needs udisks to be able to mount your other volumes.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: excalibur1234 on 14. May 2014, 12:09:36
Hi excalibur1234

Installing LXQT from net-edition :

(http://nsa33.casimages.com/img/2014/05/13/140513015452894997.jpg)

Installation details here (http://manjaro.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=3988).
i do not understand the french text, but looking at the terminal commands it looks like you took my post as inspiration and added a lot of (for you) essential packages. nice work! your lxqt installation looks a lot more usable than mine. indeed, my installation suggestion of lxqt was VERY basic.

Esclapion should take a look at your link, maybe he can get some ideas from it.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 14. May 2014, 12:39:19
Quote
Esclapion should take a look at your link, maybe he can get some ideas from it.

It's what I had in the past, with the problems of theme. 2 modules are probably missing.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Kurisutian on 16. May 2014, 15:42:11
Hi!

Just a quick question since I checked out the ISO already (which works great, btw): How do I fix the polkit issue in order to enable to user to connect to the wireless network (in live mode and also after installing)? Has this been fixed yet or how can I fix it at least for the installed system?

Thanks!  ;)
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 16. May 2014, 16:06:12
Hi,

normally, it's only when autologin is enabled that the problem appears. If you don"t use it, it must work.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: LCJr on 18. May 2014, 05:01:49
Esclapion, should the panel plugins all work? 
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 18. May 2014, 10:23:27
Hi LCJr,

no for the moment, afaik. A lot are missing or not OK.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Kurisutian on 20. May 2014, 11:41:02
Unfortunately I need to have autologin enabled since it will be an installation for my old man on an old laptop and the less he needs to operate besides from checking eMails and searching things on the internet the better. So I am highly interested to keep it simple as possible...  ;D ;)
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: Esclapion on 20. May 2014, 11:47:00
Hi,

If you are in RJ45, directly connected, no problem. If you are in wifi, configure it without, and after only activate autologin.

For the moment, all the display managers work bad in autologin, it's known. I tried yesterday at end slim, problem also.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: excalibur1234 on 20. May 2014, 13:43:19
Unfortunately I need to have autologin enabled since it will be an installation for my old man on an old laptop and the less he needs to operate besides from checking eMails and searching things on the internet the better. So I am highly interested to keep it simple as possible...  ;D ;)
if you use sddm as your login manager, you have 2 possible ways of enabling autologin:

- wait for manjaro 0.8.10. Esclapion has already requested to change manjaro's installer "thus". the new "thus" version will be able to enable autologin for sddm during the installation as well.
look here: https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=13059.0

- edit this file as root: /etc/sddm.conf
add the line (or edit it):
Code: [Select]
AutoUser=xxxx
instead of xxxx write the name (case sensitive) of the user, which you want to autologin.
look at this post: https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=12279.msg111112#msg111112
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: excalibur1234 on 21. May 2014, 16:48:03
i just want to bring a little attention to this guy, who does fantastic themes for lxqt:
(http://s30.postimg.org/3p5x4f1ch/snapshot.png)
https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=13064.msg121213#msg121213

he has created more themes:
https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=13064.msg121979#msg121979
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: poker98face on 21. May 2014, 16:51:45
Looks cool, final version will be Xfce killer ;)
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: gohlip on 21. May 2014, 17:24:44
Looks like same wallpaper in my kubuntu kde framework5.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: samigina on 21. May 2014, 21:16:48
Looks like same wallpaper in my kubuntu kde framework5.

Yeah, that theme is a port from Plasma Next to LXQT. We have already talked with the KDE Visual Design team and they have no problems with the port. My job there is just the porting, and some tweaks.

Before this weekend this themes should be in the Github repo.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: gohlip on 21. May 2014, 21:58:48
Great. Appreciate what you're doing.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: samigina on 22. May 2014, 14:35:44
The themes are merged in github lxqt-common.

Please test and report any issue you find. The team thought that I shoul upload just the transparent themes, so you will need compositing for them to work. If anyone is running a non composite system, the opaque versions are in this thread.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: rudylorren on 22. May 2014, 17:46:54
Is it possible to shrink the panel in lxqt?
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: excalibur1234 on 22. May 2014, 18:00:09
Is it possible to shrink the panel in lxqt?

i searched the answer for the same question.
i found this: https://github.com/Razor-qt/razor-qt/wiki/Change-log
in razor-qt 0.4.1, you could change the height and width of the panel. lxqt has razor-qt's panel.

it should be possible - i just do not know how.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: rudylorren on 22. May 2014, 18:12:04
Ya, I had installed it a week ago, but couldn't figure it out... ended up borking everything later on, and havn't gotten around to reinstalling it...
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: poker98face on 22. May 2014, 18:29:35
Is it possible to shrink the panel in lxqt?
(http://i.imgur.com/iFfn4ok.jpg)

EDIT
LxQt + Metacity? Why not ;) Its amazing that Qt has no problem with using GTK theme.
(http://i.imgur.com/UJYMyY9.jpg)
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: excalibur1234 on 22. May 2014, 19:11:17
(http://i.imgur.com/iFfn4ok.jpg)
thanks. i knew that already: there you can change the width/length of the panel and the icon size.


but where can i change the height of the panel?
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: rudylorren on 22. May 2014, 19:56:51
What about the height?    I faintly remember changing the icon size but the height stayed the same...
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: LCJr on 22. May 2014, 22:16:33
Panel height should change with icon size.  Doesn't seem to work quite right though.  I've noticed several icons don't scale properly i.e. most icons will ~20 pixels and few will be at 16.  Also I think they have too much padding between the icon and panel top/bottom.   Or maybe that pizza cutter throws everything off.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: rudylorren on 22. May 2014, 23:44:31
Hopefully they will fix it within the next few versions
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: samigina on 24. May 2014, 03:37:35
Panel height should change with icon size.  Doesn't seem to work quite right though.  I've noticed several icons don't scale properly i.e. most icons will ~20 pixels and few will be at 16.  Also I think they have too much padding between the icon and panel top/bottom.   Or maybe that pizza cutter throws everything off.

Some themes defines the icon size, I dont know if the setting in the panel setting override the theme setting. The padding is also a issue from the theme, you can try editing the panel.qss file in the theme folder.
Title: Re: NEW : Iso LXQT 0.7 alpha available !!!
Post by: holycow131415 on 05. June 2014, 21:11:48
I like this look a lot.

There is no option to configure vertical scrolling on my mouse pad? I dont think there was a battery icon in the tray, but I didnt have my battery in so that might be the reason.