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Technical Issues and Assistance => Package Management => Pamac => Topic started by: philm on 02. December 2012, 12:24:01

Title: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 02. December 2012, 12:24:01
Guillaume Benoit, one of our Core-Developers, is currently working on pamac, our simpe pacman gui for Manjaro Linux.
He is using python, python-gobject, pyalpm and Gtk3 as dependencies. The first alpha version is send to us Core-Developers for first review. This alpha version is not ready for public review so I only can you give a screenshot ;)

On the upper left you'll have a searchbar. There you can write anything you want into it. A group name, part of the package name or simple 'media' to list all packages having something to do with 'media'. Under this searchbar you have a list of all known groups.
Clicking on one of them you get all packages displayed in this group on the upper right side in a checkbox list. This list will display also the result of your search.

By checking a package you want to install it or have it installed already. Unchecking a package will mark it as 'to be removed'.
Simply apply your changes and pamac will do what you have told him ;)

We developers will teak this application so you don't hurt your hamsters.



Install

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sudo pacman -Sy pamac


Changelog

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0.4.0: It handles now multiple provides and should handle all conflicts situations. The backend seems almost stable now.
0.3.1: First release using dbus, 40% backend rewrite
0.2.7: Fixed file conflict issue (tested with pnmixer <> pnmixer-xfce4)
0.2.6: Hopefully fixed file conflict issue
0.2.5: Usage of icons
0.2.4: First release using a proper PKGBUILD
0.2.2: some adjustements
0.2.1: use backend package
       add desktop, icon and setup files
0.1.2: usable update manager and conflicts support added
0.1.1: working update manager
0.1:   Pamac should be ready for a real alpha test. It now auto-refreshs repos at startup and also HolpPkg is implemented.
       Pamac-updates (manager) will be finished soon, it will support Syncfirst.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: viking on 02. December 2012, 12:37:22
Another one!

Or is this supposed to replace pacman-gui?

My personal opinion, put a right click context menu onto Package Browser that installs/removes packages and you will have the second best package manager in the Linux world. (Synaptic is the best and there is no point in trying to better that - it's impossible).
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: vanlong441 on 02. December 2012, 12:42:57
can't wait for this and xmas!
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: eskaini on 02. December 2012, 12:48:35
@ Phil: Guillaume? I wondered what he was up to. It's the quiet ones you've got to watch out for...

@ Viking: Yes, I think it'll replace the pacman-gui (or can be thought of as its next stage of development). PS - 0.9 means graphical installer!  :o
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: YFDogan on 02. December 2012, 13:01:38
An other great attack !
Thanks to you team. Because of you guys, Manjaro users will forget to be surprising. All news about Manjaro are now such as routine habitutes .

By teh way, a graphic installer like Chakra has, will be really great. Philip, you were the one of the core team of chakra. So I suppose,this is up to you friend . ;)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 02. December 2012, 13:21:46
pamac will replace my pacman-gui which was just to have something. It might have not all features like synaptic has but it will do for our needs. There is a hack-session planned for the gui-installer. We might come up with something ... Roland is already on page three of six planned pages ...
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Roland on 02. December 2012, 13:50:46
Guillaume is doing a great work on pamac :)

@Phil: I posted two screenshots of two finished pages. I'll create a blog post as soon as I finished some more pages :)

http://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=1073.0
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 02. December 2012, 19:43:34
We are used to be the quiet ones. We worked on 0.8 for some month telling nobody about it ... This gui-installer was planned for a long time. Sometimes good will take a little longer :P
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Ayceman on 03. December 2012, 01:33:33
It would be nice if pamac had a button to simply sync repos and one to bring up a Manjaro specific dialogue to quickly choose the repositories (Stable - Testing - Unstable - Custom (which opens up pacman.conf in gedit)).
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 04. December 2012, 10:58:29
yeah thats like in fuduntu, you can choose easily to unstable testing and stuff...

it looks great i will follow it :) simple clean and not to much.... :)

with synaptic is to much what you need, a sync button would be handy? or you do with every start of manjaro a automated sync? :)

shell see.. :) PAcmanx4 is nice to, but this looks simple and clean, is akways the best (pamac)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 04. December 2012, 13:14:18
Thx you all for your encouragements. Don't worry, a button to sync repos is planned ;)
I want pamac to be simple, fast and easy to use so it won't have all synaptic features.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Yoyo on 04. December 2012, 14:22:00
Really nice :)

Manjaro better every day :D
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: dicktater on 04. December 2012, 19:40:06
Judging from comments at recent Distrowatch weekly, pamac will eliminate a primary excuse many seem to give for not continuing to use Manjaro after first blush. When implemented, new Manjaro users should soar!
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Holmes on 04. December 2012, 21:25:40
is great news and Manjaro Brasil can help in the process of translation (english => portuguese).

vlw fwi, Holmes :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 05. December 2012, 21:58:04
In Bavaria St.Nikolaus comes on the evening of December 5th. So here is something he brought me today to share with everybody reading this thread ;)

Quote
December 6th is the name day of St. Nikolaus. But 'der Nikolaus' actually comes on the evening of December 5th, with his companion, a little devil called 'Krampus'. Nikolaus brings small presents, nuts, oranges and apples to the houses in the village for the children. Sometimes the children recite a poem or play a piece of music for him. Nikolaus then lists the good and bad things the children have done during the year, often in the form of a rhyme.

The Krampus may punish them if they have been particularly bad during the year! An old tradition in Bayerisch Eisenstein is 'Nigeln'. Children or adults go out on the streets on the evening of 5th December, dressed as Krampus, and others tease them and are then chased. The children enjoy this as they have to try to escape.

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/872490
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Gringo Linux on 05. December 2012, 22:02:53
philm you are big ;) superb work
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Yoyo on 05. December 2012, 23:03:48
Thanks, philm :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: dicktater on 06. December 2012, 04:27:45
 8)
Ho, ho, ho, heute kommt de Nikolaus!
(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5509/dernikolauskrampus.jpg)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 12. December 2012, 19:24:48
pamac 0.1 is online now. You'll find it in our Unstable repos.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: dicktater on 12. December 2012, 20:39:18
pamac 0.1 is online now. You'll find it in our Unstable repos.
This is the same as was inside Nikolaus-2012.zip?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Yoyo on 12. December 2012, 21:09:09
pamac 0.1 is online now. You'll find it in our Unstable repos.

Thanks :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 12. December 2012, 22:27:08
Nikolaus was 0.0.1. This has more features. Automatic db sync got added. Also Guillaume is working on an update tool.

Install it with:

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sudo pacman -U http://mirrors.mycraft.eu/manjaro/pool/pamac-0.1-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: James T on 13. December 2012, 00:59:57
Only just tried it very briefly, but it looks and feels fine.

Just a couple of suggestions -- since Manjaro mainly uses sudo, it would be nice if it could prompt for the user's password (possibly with an option for root).  Also ideally it would allow searching and selection as a regular user and only raise the privileges for actual installation and removal.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Ayceman on 13. December 2012, 01:47:14
If there's one thing that pamac needs, it's a remove unnecessary packages (deps) button running something like 'pacman -Rs $(pacman -Qtdq)' in the background.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: davidnotcoulthard on 13. December 2012, 03:45:16
Only just tried it very briefly, but it looks and feels fine.

Just a couple of suggestions -- since Manjaro mainly uses sudo, it would be nice if it could prompt for the user's password (possibly with an option for root).  Also ideally it would allow searching and selection as a regular user and only raise the privileges for actual installation and removal.
Try using "gksudo" instead of "gksu".
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: davidnotcoulthard on 13. December 2012, 03:49:23
8)
Ho, ho, ho, heute kommt de Nikolaus!
(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5509/dernikolauskrampus.jpg)

Oh! So you're going to sponsor HRT F1 team?
(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4301/narainkarthikeyan2011ma.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/narainkarthikeyan2011ma.jpg/)
(Read the sidepods!)

Anyway is Pamac available in testing yet?


EDIT:

resized the picture, it was too big!!
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: vanlong441 on 13. December 2012, 07:26:53
tested and satisfied. Option to install applications from Manjaro Unstable and AUR should be considered.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 16. December 2012, 22:20:20
pamac 0.1.1 comes with a nice updater ;)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Yoyo on 16. December 2012, 23:18:56
Hi, philm

to install this is correct?

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sudo pacman -U http://mirrors.mycraft.eu/manjaro/pool/pamac-0.1.1-2-any.pkg.tar.xz
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 16. December 2012, 23:26:16
would be great if the pamac update fusing with Kalu :) then you have 2 in one :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Yoyo on 17. December 2012, 00:03:59
installed and working

Very nice :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: YFDogan on 17. December 2012, 01:11:15
When installing only one package it is working fine. But if I choose more packages to install it is closing automatically. And an error message:
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Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/pamac/transaction.py", line 35, in init_transaction
    t = handle.init_transaction(cascade = True)
alpm.error: transaction could not be initialized, pm_errno 10
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 17. December 2012, 08:57:22
It is still early alpha software. Thx for the report.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 17. December 2012, 13:19:02
@YFDogan: I need more details, run pamac in a terminal with:
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sudo /usr/share/pamac/pamac.py
and tell me what packages you want to install or remove and what are the terminal outputs.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: vanlong441 on 17. December 2012, 13:23:35
sudo /usr/share/pamac/pamac.py gave me the below and nothing showed up while it opened fine when navigating to Pamac using the menus.

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[manjaro@manjaro ~]$ sudo /usr/share/pamac/pamac.py
[sudo] password for manjaro:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/pamac/pamac.py", line 12, in <module>
    import transaction
  File "/usr/share/pamac/transaction.py", line 12, in <module>
    interface.add_from_file('gui/dialogs.glade')
  File "/usr/lib/python3.3/site-packages/gi/types.py", line 47, in function
    return info.invoke(*args, **kwargs)
gi._glib.GError: Failed to open file 'gui/dialogs.glade': No such file or directory
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: YFDogan on 17. December 2012, 15:19:19
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[yfdogan@manjaro ~]$ sudo /usr/share/pamac/pamac.py
[sudo] password for yfdogan:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/pamac/pamac.py", line 11, in <module>
    import config
  File "/usr/share/pamac/config.py", line 13, in <module>
    from transaction import ErrorDialog
  File "/usr/share/pamac/transaction.py", line 11, in <module>
    interface.add_from_file('gui/dialogs.glade')
  File "/usr/lib/python3.3/site-packages/gi/types.py", line 47, in function
    return info.invoke(*args, **kwargs)
gi._glib.GError: 'gui/dialogs.glade' dosyasını açma başarısız: Böyle bir dosya ya da dizin yok
[yfdogan@manjaro ~]$

Böyle bir dosya ya da dizin yok = No file or dir exists.

I tried to install some Libreoffice extensions and some KDE packages at once and it has stopped. ( I installed them manually after that ;) )
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 17. December 2012, 15:30:43
sorry please try:
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cd /usr/share/pamac
sudo ./pamac.py
and report.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: YFDogan on 17. December 2012, 15:50:02
(http://i.imgur.com/PwBaU.jpg)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: YFDogan on 17. December 2012, 15:53:35
Selected some packages to install from KDE and:
(http://i.imgur.com/ZBEjX.jpg)

It is waiting as you see.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 17. December 2012, 17:50:03
Yes, it's a bad bug, thx for the report. ;)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Kolibry on 18. December 2012, 23:05:47
Good work. Simplicity is the word  ;D

Ir's very intuitive, though it's missing some features, but it's under developpement stuff. Keep continuing to make a great job. Thanks.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: vanlong441 on 24. December 2012, 17:52:43
Pamac crashes when resolving package conflicts

sorry please try:
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cd /usr/share/pamac
sudo ./pamac.py
and report.

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Resolving dependencies
Checking inter conflicts
ERROR: unresolvable package conflicts detected
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 24. December 2012, 19:41:35
there is an pamac updater, what would happend with kalu?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: YFDogan on 24. December 2012, 23:41:11
http://mirrors.mycraft.eu/manjaro/pool/ (http://mirrors.mycraft.eu/manjaro/pool/)
I couldn't find pamac. Where is it?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: eskaini on 24. December 2012, 23:45:16
http://mirrors.mycraft.eu/manjaro/pool/ (http://mirrors.mycraft.eu/manjaro/pool/)
I couldn't find pamac. Where is it?

unstable repositories, I think.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: YFDogan on 24. December 2012, 23:48:38
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Install it with:

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sudo pacman -U http://mirrors.mycraft.eu/manjaro/pool/pamac-0.1-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
A part from a post of Philip above.
http://mirrors.mycraft.eu/manjaro/pool
Is this unstable? If so I copied this addres to browser and couldn't find pamac there?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 25. December 2012, 02:04:46
Actually it is removed from our repos since it is still pre-alpha. You can download it from here:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/manjarodev/files/packages/any/
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: vanlong441 on 25. December 2012, 02:28:31
Just tried out 0.2.2 and it still crashes when dealing with package conflicts.

One more thing I noticed was that the GUI was not consistent with Oxygen engine. That means I have to hover my mouse over the buttons to reveal them. I know other applications have this problem, too. However pacmac-GUI doesn't.

If only there would be a way to fix them.
(http://i.imgur.com/OeToll.png) (http://i.imgur.com/OeTol.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/lTRIpl.png) (http://i.imgur.com/lTRIp.png)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 25. December 2012, 03:09:22
Pacman-Gui I tested also in KDE. Pamac is developed on a Cinnamon box. I think Guillaume never tested it on KDE yet. This is pre-alpha still so it might not work at all. I hacked it together since the provided install-script still don't work.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 28. December 2012, 00:32:04
Pamac 0.2.5 got released today. It uses a working PKGBUILD now and is installed to the proper folders. Please test if you find any issues with this release and create some bug-reports on our bug-tracker. I created the Pacman category especially for this purpose.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 28. December 2012, 01:05:09
is that in Paste Bin  to report i have no experienced with it :p   Installing software very quickly Deleting quick to, and take some dependeces.. but i have now deleted the xfce part of my manjaro, So Xfce-pnmixer still online, so what did i i try to install
Pnmixer  the one without xfce4  and it crashed :p


further i dont know, personally isn´t cleaner when you have a Extra putton when you want to install like a Shopping wagon....you can follow what you install, even with delete :) isnt for must .... its nouw huge different only what you install the window is border less.. you cant make it bigger too look at it  what you install.... isnt very clear... if you want to install it get de progres bar on the different  window.... isn´t better at one window?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 28. December 2012, 01:09:55
did try updater also  gets this :

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3.3/site-packages/backend/transaction.py", line 44, in init_transaction
    _t = handle.init_transaction(**options)
alpm.error: transaction could not be initialized, pm_errno 10 (unable to lock database)

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3.3/site-packages/backend/transaction.py", line 109, in do_refresh
    db.update(force=False)
alpm.error: unable to update database, pm_errno 0 (unexpected error)


think i broke my pyalmp       couldnt do updater even after reboot doing pamac  dont working , i  want to test when i want delete Mate-dialogs what would it do but pamac is corrupted now :)

becaus i had mate stuf installed for mint menu now i have delete whole xfce :) to ttest now use cinnamon... i want to look what will it act if i delete mate-dialogs, because mate-dialogs is replacement of zenity....  and zenity is for pacman-gui offcourse, i couldnt test that of the python error 3.3 ?? think pyalmp it isn removed...,
i could compare what is does with pacmanxg4 :)



Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: vanlong441 on 28. December 2012, 03:32:34
Running as normal user gives these

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Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3.3/site-packages/backend/transaction.py", line 44, in init_transaction
    _t = handle.init_transaction(**options)
alpm.error: transaction could not be initialized, pm_errno 10 (unable to lock database)

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3.3/site-packages/backend/transaction.py", line 109, in do_refresh
    db.update(force=False)
alpm.error: unable to update database, pm_errno 0 (unexpected error)

Running as root gives a lot of these when opening Pamac and when clicking on the Refresh button.

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sudo pamac
[sudo] password for manjaro:
{'nodepversion': False, 'nodeps': False, 'force': False, 'recurse': False, 'allexplicit': False, 'noscriptlet': False, 'alldeps': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'unneeded': False, 'dbonly': False, 'needed': False, 'cascade': False, 'nosave': False, 'nolock': False, 'noconflicts': False}
{'nodepversion': False, 'nodeps': False, 'force': False, 'recurse': False, 'allexplicit': False, 'noscriptlet': False, 'alldeps': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'unneeded': False, 'dbonly': False, 'needed': False, 'cascade': False, 'nosave': False, 'nolock': False, 'noconflicts': False}
{'nodepversion': False, 'nodeps': False, 'force': False, 'recurse': False, 'allexplicit': False, 'noscriptlet': False, 'alldeps': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'unneeded': False, 'dbonly': False, 'needed': False, 'cascade': False, 'nosave': False, 'nolock': False, 'noconflicts': False}
{'nodepversion': False, 'nodeps': False, 'force': False, 'recurse': False, 'allexplicit': False, 'noscriptlet': False, 'alldeps': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'unneeded': False, 'dbonly': False, 'needed': False, 'cascade': False, 'nosave': False, 'nolock': False, 'noconflicts': False}
{'nodepversion': False, 'nodeps': False, 'force': False, 'recurse': False, 'allexplicit': False, 'noscriptlet': False, 'alldeps': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'unneeded': False, 'dbonly': False, 'needed': False, 'cascade': False, 'nosave': False, 'nolock': False, 'noconflicts': False}
{'nodepversion': False, 'nodeps': False, 'force': False, 'recurse': False, 'allexplicit': False, 'noscriptlet': False, 'alldeps': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'unneeded': False, 'dbonly': False, 'needed': False, 'cascade': False, 'nosave': False, 'nolock': False, 'noconflicts': False}
{'nodepversion': False, 'nodeps': False, 'force': False, 'recurse': False, 'allexplicit': False, 'noscriptlet': False, 'alldeps': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'unneeded': False, 'dbonly': False, 'needed': False, 'cascade': False, 'nosave': False, 'nolock': False, 'noconflicts': False}
{'nodepversion': False, 'nodeps': False, 'force': False, 'recurse': False, 'allexplicit': False, 'noscriptlet': False, 'alldeps': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'unneeded': False, 'dbonly': False, 'needed': False, 'cascade': False, 'nosave': False, 'nolock': False, 'noconflicts': False}
{'nodepversion': False, 'nodeps': False, 'force': False, 'recurse': False, 'allexplicit': False, 'noscriptlet': False, 'alldeps': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'unneeded': False, 'dbonly': False, 'needed': False, 'cascade': False, 'nosave': False, 'nolock': False, 'noconflicts': False}
{'nodepversion': False, 'nodeps': False, 'force': False, 'recurse': False, 'allexplicit': False, 'noscriptlet': False, 'alldeps': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'unneeded': False, 'dbonly': False, 'needed': False, 'cascade': False, 'nosave': False, 'nolock': False, 'noconflicts': False}
{'nodepversion': False, 'nodeps': False, 'force': False, 'recurse': False, 'allexplicit': False, 'noscriptlet': False, 'alldeps': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'unneeded': False, 'dbonly': False, 'needed': False, 'cascade': False, 'nosave': False, 'nolock': False, 'noconflicts': False}
{'nodepversion': False, 'nodeps': False, 'force': False, 'recurse': False, 'allexplicit': False, 'noscriptlet': False, 'alldeps': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'unneeded': False, 'dbonly': False, 'needed': False, 'cascade': False, 'nosave': False, 'nolock': False, 'noconflicts': False}
{'nodepversion': False, 'nodeps': False, 'force': False, 'recurse': False, 'allexplicit': False, 'noscriptlet': False, 'alldeps': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'unneeded': False, 'dbonly': False, 'needed': False, 'cascade': False, 'nosave': False, 'nolock': False, 'noconflicts': False}
{'nodepversion': False, 'nodeps': False, 'force': False, 'recurse': False, 'allexplicit': False, 'noscriptlet': False, 'alldeps': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'unneeded': False, 'dbonly': False, 'needed': False, 'cascade': False, 'nosave': False, 'nolock': False, 'noconflicts': False}
[manjaro@manjaro ~]$ sudo pamac
{'allexplicit': False, 'unneeded': False, 'recurse': False, 'noconflicts': False, 'alldeps': False, 'force': False, 'dbonly': False, 'nodeps': False, 'nolock': False, 'cascade': False, 'nodepversion': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'nosave': False, 'needed': False, 'noscriptlet': False}
{'allexplicit': False, 'unneeded': False, 'recurse': False, 'noconflicts': False, 'alldeps': False, 'force': False, 'dbonly': False, 'nodeps': False, 'nolock': False, 'cascade': False, 'nodepversion': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'nosave': False, 'needed': False, 'noscriptlet': False}
{'allexplicit': False, 'unneeded': False, 'recurse': False, 'noconflicts': False, 'alldeps': False, 'force': False, 'dbonly': False, 'nodeps': False, 'nolock': False, 'cascade': False, 'nodepversion': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'nosave': False, 'needed': False, 'noscriptlet': False}
{'allexplicit': False, 'unneeded': False, 'recurse': False, 'noconflicts': False, 'alldeps': False, 'force': False, 'dbonly': False, 'nodeps': False, 'nolock': False, 'cascade': False, 'nodepversion': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'nosave': False, 'needed': False, 'noscriptlet': False}
{'allexplicit': False, 'unneeded': False, 'recurse': False, 'noconflicts': False, 'alldeps': False, 'force': False, 'dbonly': False, 'nodeps': False, 'nolock': False, 'cascade': False, 'nodepversion': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'nosave': False, 'needed': False, 'noscriptlet': False}
{'allexplicit': False, 'unneeded': False, 'recurse': False, 'noconflicts': False, 'alldeps': False, 'force': False, 'dbonly': False, 'nodeps': False, 'nolock': False, 'cascade': False, 'nodepversion': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'nosave': False, 'needed': False, 'noscriptlet': False}
{'allexplicit': False, 'unneeded': False, 'recurse': False, 'noconflicts': False, 'alldeps': False, 'force': False, 'dbonly': False, 'nodeps': False, 'nolock': False, 'cascade': False, 'nodepversion': False, 'downloadonly': False, 'recurseall': False, 'nosave': False, 'needed': False, 'noscriptlet': False}

Still crash when trying to install pnmixer along with pnmixer-xfce4

Code: [Select]
5 Resolving dependencies
6 Done resolving dependencies
7 Checking inter conflicts
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Just4n on 28. December 2012, 05:00:36
My personal opinion, put a right click context menu onto Package Browser that installs/removes packages and you will have the second best package manager in the Linux world. (Synaptic is the best and there is no point in trying to better that - it's impossible).

Why such a subjective opinion? I for one don't personally like Synaptic that much, And it definitely could be much better.

I believe that pamac could easily be much better than Synaptic, As could anything else.

Also, nothing great is ever created with the word "impossible".

Open source, Open mind.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 28. December 2012, 17:50:34
@vanlong441: the output are for debugging purpose. The fact that you can't install pnmixer-xfce4 is a bug in handling conflicts. Thx for the report.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 28. December 2012, 17:57:53
normal must ask the package manager,  should i remove Xfce-pnmixer are in conflict :) Y  or N :) i have remove that version now already..its simple but i looks like Gnome-package kit :) i hope that in future more like a mix of soft of this and a App store, it can be use full like shopping-card what you remove or install ??? and a button like in chromiumn  you can choose to in use of Rankmirrors to look for the fastest Mirrors and switch over too Browse the aur repository
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: dicktater on 28. December 2012, 19:20:48
Just installed 0.2.5-1. So far, in repo searches and a test package installation, it seems to be working just fine. ;D
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 28. December 2012, 19:24:35
try install something you know the other depencies exist in system.. like pnmixer you have a xfce version of it and non xfce version if xfce version with in what does it when you want then pnmixer to install.. in the mine crashed... even the updater gave errors :) now both broke??? dont know why.. uses cinamon now :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 30. December 2012, 21:17:07
Phill ! Pamac 0.2.6 still buggy,  :) the bug is just when i want install now XFCE-pnmixer  in i use pnmixer it crashes :) removing thinks it nice showed up dependcies.. but the work think as it could mut stay on the forground it doesnt it is bussy you dont see it :) but hard if i only txwo the same thing like pnmixer and the xfce version;, i dont remove the other but just want to install other check it, then it is gone , then its already unhandel , i have the newest from testing.. today
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 31. December 2012, 13:16:58
Yes, you're right. pamac still can't handle file-conflicts. Pacman would do this:

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[phil@manjaro configs]$ sudo pacman -S pnmixer
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
:: pnmixer and pnmixer-xfce4 are in conflict. Remove pnmixer-xfce4? [y/N] y

Targets (2): pnmixer-xfce4-22-3 [removal]  pnmixer-0.5.1-2

Total Installed Size:   0.31 MiB
Net Upgrade Size:       -0.04 MiB

Proceed with installation? [Y/n]

If you try to uncheck pnmixer-xfce4 and then try to check pnmixer it won't happen. So there is still some strangeness to this issue.
So if both are checked you get a blank warning message followed by the standard error messages already posted.
As result pamac crashes and you've a locked database you can only unlock by using rm -v /var/lib/pacman/db.lck

Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 31. December 2012, 14:53:31
fairly to say i dont use manjaro package manager... i use Pacmanxg4  , its a nice packagemanager , it spread using can handle´s aur/normal repository kill the orphans and i dont know if that works. It kan do Rankmirrors... but on some part its not native enough but its not to say it  hurts me.
with this you can see all of thinks what you have gona install or what you remove it blocks cause off te depencies  you have to choose when it can further.

i does this with installing pnmixer, is ask me to remove xfce4-pnmixer. i could do Y or N  ..

with Pamac is a look a like of gnome-package kit..,  its doesn ask... i choose Y and then  some thing flases with ( ! ) and it off, and pamac is after then Unusable :) i have latest from testing..

mayby is better to clear it out ? like option not to check but like pacmanxg4 when you klick on it you see install or remove.. so  if i have xfce-pnmixer installed and you want install pnmixer ; it Blocks the installation standard  but whill you further then do you have manualy remove the xfce4-pnmixer, not in a other session but check them as remove then knows the browser that you wanna remove it.

its not for irritating something, but as that gona be the main packagemanager then it must be resisted like that , not it gona break and will be unusable :) and broken..


the options like gnome-packagekit seems to be unuseble... on this case??
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 31. December 2012, 18:46:15
Of course you can't compare a stable program with one in alpha stage.
@Philm: can you try again with 0.2.7 ?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 31. December 2012, 19:04:45
Seems to work now. Tested it both ways. pnmixer-xfce4 <> pnmixer
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 31. December 2012, 19:06:13
hmm....it  is better then the last version it did works again....
...


strange    :o


oh i have 0.26-1 :)


Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: YFDogan on 31. December 2012, 20:40:52
After installing pamac-0.2.7-1 , it doesn't placed itself into KDE menu, and it's look isn't regular KDE look.

(http://i.imgur.com/VUUIF.png)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 01. January 2013, 00:41:11
now happy new year ive got the new 0.27 updated still  dificulty with depencies handling..

i do delete Evolution-data i know its a depencies of evolution... give a thing  so i select backon... it say no package selecto on

so i try delete openbox i know there is some depencies then i get this  :o


that pnmixer where fine, it does the job forward and revert..


but deleting a depencies its hurt.... but must also be suggesting it about..
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 01. January 2013, 00:47:31
fairly to say it did a stepforward openbox selected or unselect it you cand select  some obmenu like that only for openbox, it unselected  you cant select it but you must select openbox. i dont know it was after the break...that happend... shel do a restart to morrow normal it must ask what he must install to what its needs... but now aint working :) so i have first a fresh start :)


its broken now but it still online but basic function is off :D
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 01. January 2013, 17:14:36
but if the error in pamac package manager it float also to the update, my advice is just, Drop the update. you have also a nice updater.. Kalu.., it spread news and new updates, dont drop something when aint broken.. you prefer putting more energy in the base Pamac,  looking is ok, it looks almost to  Gnome-package kit, but i hope it can be more adult. like  some button like Chromium on right corner to have some more options like rankmirrors. but personal how it handle in pacmanxg4 is apreciate too.. giving good mix of terminal and gui use..


its in begin stadium... update manager is just too much :) you have a nice one it works..
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 04. January 2013, 13:39:02
Still lot of work to do on this one ...
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: vanlong441 on 05. January 2013, 03:32:53
Seems to work now. Tested it both ways. pnmixer-xfce4 <> pnmixer
+1. Also working here in 0.2.7-1.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 24. January 2013, 22:53:12
0.3.1 got released. tell us your findings ...
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 24. January 2013, 23:03:54
cannot find in the packages... i dont use unstable :) dont need some intermediate brakings :) mayby future if have a second pc :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 25. January 2013, 00:06:44
I always link also direct downloads (https://sourceforge.net/projects/manjarodev/files/packages/any/) of pamac ;)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 25. January 2013, 03:00:28
hmm hide and seek :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 25. January 2013, 09:51:11
Here it is: http://repo.manjaro.org.uk/addon-unstable/x86_64/pamac-0.3.1-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
It can now be launched as user and use Polkit and Dbus to get authorization and run transactions (with also many fixes) .
Please give feedback.  ;D
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 25. January 2013, 15:23:53
hmmm found a bug :D

i have installed Virtualbox with linux37-virtualbox-host modules..

i remove them both.. ! then i gona install only virtualbox then back , i dont closed te program first... but i dont know if it gets different normal must do what it do..

so i gone install virtualbox again, i have to kernels... linux34 and linux37 but it takes only linux34 :s i use linux37

if i do the same at pacman it ask wihich module it downloads, in this case it download linux34 standard with out asking ...
:)  shell playing further :D
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 25. January 2013, 15:39:30
i had install virtualbox  with pacman, but when i do refreshing button, the installed dont come over :) in green .., it came in green when  i just push in another menu and looking back to virtualbox...


shell do some BREAK actions :


i remove linux37-virtualbox-hostmodules...

i get some transaction  summary,    and further some blanc window .. i go further i go to enter my password  then i gets that message :), but further the programm still working after that ....

i did expecting only if i want delete its must say Virtualbox its needing...,  you could always say must rvirtualbox remove to also? Y or N ..... or its must just stops with : virtualbox need program then push on window close button or something :)

with skype-oss also; its want installing linux34-header without asking when you have two kernels..  i like a backup kernel :)  but  te point is only it must asking when it detecting some kernels...

this is a bug :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 26. January 2013, 11:19:56
Thx ringo32, you're a good tester :)
I already know that handle multiple provides is not supported yet and I didn't expect someone to find it so fast !
I will implement it but it's a complicated work, especially with kernel modules.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 26. January 2013, 11:30:57
its just for a test ;-) but +1 it dont failed completly,... version before when it break then was pamac completly unusable, now its different really.. it is  partly break but not hole you can still use it. other versions not.. last version was pnmixer thing fix but still depency problem like on virtualbox break but its mayby general i dont know, and it was unusable then... now it work further...

:)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: davidnotcoulthard on 27. January 2013, 16:05:25
Departing quite a bit from the "Bug va/on Pamac" topic ???, I think the only thing Pamac needs now is a pacman -Scc button and a pacman -Rs $(pacman -Qqdt) button (or whatever was meant at http://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Orphan_Package_Removal ). that - and more "compatibility" with Oxygen-gtk3 .

Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 27. January 2013, 16:41:27
i think this option arent now in order...its more important the instaling part and depencies handling it stay stable, after that you always go evolving to muchmore... pamac is not ready for that extra option, it can made quick but problem is you can get multiple bugs as wel :) work first on comfort ;)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 01. February 2013, 07:33:13
For moment i have no network after the update after to unstable  could not use pacman.

but when you get that its in pamac not clear what it is..

telling me what on picture like.!


Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 01. February 2013, 07:46:36
I've just changed the mirror (mycraft is down)
But you're right the message is not clear enough
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 01. February 2013, 08:04:58
i have changed too :) my only getting on the message :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 01. February 2013, 15:23:43
I just finished pamac 0.3.2.
It now handles "provides" and does it smarlty: if the needed "provide" is a kernel module (like virtualbox-host-modules) it should automatically choose the modules for the already installed kernels. This way pamac is smarter than pacman !
It should be available soon in unstable repo.

For the next version I planned to had a tray to pamac.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 01. February 2013, 17:08:51
Will look forward to it guinux .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Roland on 01. February 2013, 17:59:44
Nice work guillaume :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: YFDogan on 01. February 2013, 18:22:04
Where is it friend? I will give it a try.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 01. February 2013, 19:37:50
I got it!
I've just start my laptop, run updater from menu:
Updating pamac firstly should be safer shouldn't it?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 01. February 2013, 19:43:24
Other test: I unplugged my ethernet cable
No error at all.
If this is a good point for the 1st attempt (when updater is launched)
Having a message "no mirror was reached" (or something like that) would be nice when refresh is performed manually
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 01. February 2013, 20:09:46
Pamac installed , Pacman removed , lets see the difference it will make in the future .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: vanlong441 on 02. February 2013, 03:26:48
pamac-0.3.1-1 is not available at the moment http://sourceforge.net/projects/manjarodev/files/packages/any/

This is the sourceforge server's issue. Try again in a few hours.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 02. February 2013, 08:58:37
serious? i have updated it :)
 ::)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: eskaini on 02. February 2013, 09:02:16
pamac-0.3.1-1 is not available at the moment http://sourceforge.net/projects/manjarodev/files/packages/any/

This is the sourceforge server's issue. Try again in a few hours.

That's because we are at 0.3.2 now  ;)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 02. February 2013, 09:09:06
hmm look promising.. no error yet  :o     and when i do delete my virtualbox guestmodule its give good on screen wat you delete.. hmmm ,      must think now other way :)

  ;D
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 02. February 2013, 11:26:13
do you plan a "pamac-notifier" ?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 02. February 2013, 11:31:00
i do like if you want to remove something it moved to ´red´  its more clear because installed are more in green.. mayby what you want to install something in yellow??
:)


mayby its a great idea to make some space for a link    left under the window for parts to remove
or parts to install.. in order of that , on a single click you see in one screen what you install also ;)

and mayby in the future can evolve in to mix install and remove but its to far for now.
:)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 02. February 2013, 11:53:52
Hmmm i have removing my desktops for now :) i do it now with pamac ...


but some strange way it guessing to remove what i dont want..

im in lxde do remove Xfce desktop...

i choose al of xfce package...i have watch over, its had suggesting to remove Lxdm also ;S
i dont know if been my fault.. i remove package thas was needed for mintmenu... so removing the Mate-desktop parts...

it suggesting remove  conky-control...

mayby i gues, was cause of mate-dialogs.., mayby so i trying to let it on so want to turnback to green but still remove.. mate-dialogs, it was te replacement of zenity ...couldnt install zenity right away because its one on one, its working like gnome-packagekit,... i dont know i am wrong or not :)

in some cases you could remove essential parts on this way then you gets some error you dont understand in first time and you have removed :) on conky-control removal i install it again, it might needed zenity..,  i couldnt install right after ?? but when i remove xfce it want remove lxdm.., in my point of view lxdm is not a depencies of xfce4 :)

i just want to say it :)

mayby i am wrong ..,  idea is, when you removed something  , that it showup is ok,  but there must come a window like ; Cant remove cause of some depencies : lxdm or something if you selected one depencies to much and is some misstake you dont want :)

so it dont removed automatically :)

its a bit complicated to explain really :) when its depencies ok, bit out of way
is not good :)


gr ringo
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 02. February 2013, 14:17:55
pacman removal was of bad move of mine , nothing worked properly ( no updates , no sync with Manjaro  ) , well I installed Manjaro XFCE for a change , I wanted to try it one day or another , so now my 3rd different Manjaro distro in a month or 2 . lol . But it was wanted ( try different flavors of Manjaro ) .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 02. February 2013, 14:30:25
I couldn t have anything with Pamac , it must have been too early for me I don t know , do the ones that have Pamac installed stick with Pacman also !

I was asking myself this question this morning ( here ) .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 02. February 2013, 14:32:18
NEVER REMOVE PACMAN.
Pamac needs pacman and it is just aiming to provide a gui to install and remove packages. It don't want to completely replace it.
I also wonder how you remove it because it's a HoldPkg.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 02. February 2013, 14:33:07
pamac is not a replacement of pacman  :o

its more a native Gui for installing thinks, very user friendly its more in alpha stages it must comes in the distro ! this packagemanager they control the gui, with gnome-packagekit they cant control, and has some issues....

pacman stays it uses pacman also :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 02. February 2013, 14:33:53
I found a bug in checking conflicts. It can lead to remove unwanted packages when update your system.
Here is pamac-0.3.3 which have a fix to avoid the most dangerous situation. It should also be available soon in the unstable repo.
Solve conflicts is the most complicated task atm so it will need other modifications and tests.
For now, when updating your system, always be careful if pamac says some packages need to be removed. If any doubt post here and/or use pacman to update.
I remind everyone that pamac is unstable.
Thanks to all of you for testing, this way pamac is better everyday !
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 02. February 2013, 14:40:32
LOL , now I know what NOT to do ! Thanx for the info there .

A good thing learned is that it needs Pacman , didn t knew that , maybe it was stated but didn t read it , so it might be my fault , anyways I reinstalled , easier to me than repaires . but getting there slowly !

Thanx for the help fellas , appreciated .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 02. February 2013, 14:46:07
i know Pamac is is unstable, for me its in Alpha Stage how you called it, beta , omega :) lol

i just trying to brake only, not that i full use it :)


i have seen that removement, conky-control when removed i dont know its needed zenity/mate-dialogs.. 

never mind i watch out to the next :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 02. February 2013, 14:55:07
I removed it true pamac itself , I don t have the exact  output at all of the terminal per see , but it was removed .

Where it wasd written not to remove Pacman , never saw it .

It might be obveous to some but not to others that aren t computer wiz kids .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 02. February 2013, 15:08:22
yeah, but if you in debian remove APT , then you have also an problem , its the same... only i know ubuntu an mint has forked it... for use of there software manager or was it gdebi?  nevermind...

its not only pacman, :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 02. February 2013, 15:39:31
Lesson learned .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tq on 02. February 2013, 20:11:36
Sorry, replied to wrong thread  :P
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 02. February 2013, 20:14:01
Thanx for the comeback tq , appreciated .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 02. February 2013, 23:37:34
is this an issue?

i know both use Pyalmp .. i load first add/remove software, then i thought look at te updates..
then switch te update window off...

then is pamac also stopped :) its really not an issue when you know it, i only report, could be stupid... but if that is normal then is ok, it dont gave an error or something :)

only the functions are also Lame.. doesnt quit then :)   
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 03. February 2013, 12:00:39
strange yesterday i find out when double, so use the updater and pamac it self, and close the update then add/remove will shutdown also it dont work, yesterday it had hanging..

day after so try to install someting from the repos... i get this, i quit and log in again , it does again :)

Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 03. February 2013, 12:48:57
sorry my repository wasnt right ..sorry :)
mirror setting  ;D
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 06. February 2013, 22:15:23
hmm.. the pamac-updater dont update :) or im i wrong?? i did see the update i missed always, but try to install it doesnt do...did it with kalu :)

but didnt start when try to update..
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 07. February 2013, 07:45:18
Confirmed here!
A workaround: launch pamac-installer which checks for update and install them!
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 07. February 2013, 17:11:50
will try it again other time :)  first on gui then in terminal..,:)


Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 08. February 2013, 15:48:46
something confirmed , pamac-updater doesnt work :) not for me mayby in the next version , i use from unstable directly..

(http://i.imgur.com/zOfSVae.png) (http://imgur.com/zOfSVae)

when open pamac it self it ask directly i the next picture, after then go back to updater then show it up..
want to confirm and its said nothing to update :)

in terminal

Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 10. February 2013, 22:52:48
Pamac-0.4.0 is out ! It handles now multiple provides and should handle all conflicts situations.
The backend seems almost stable now.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 10. February 2013, 23:44:25
Good news guinux .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 11. February 2013, 10:41:40
works nice ;)

for upcomming evolution i hope suchs as rankmirror not exacly like that but a menu to choose from country  you living and it will rankmirror to the closes mirror and the fastest mirror as wel :)

and the options like remove db.lck or something how it calls and removing some caches would also fine :) and orphans  if that needed but normal i see in this version doesnt needed :-)

but this pamac runs fine now test te updater of it !!
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 11. February 2013, 11:07:50
still does i see when i remove whole Xfce parts from my desktop it will remove Lxdm too, i stopped it ok :)

but it says in menu remove lxdm ,  :o
nevermind :)

further works ok
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 11. February 2013, 11:23:41
personally i like not to much automatic remove things, its hard to be safe on removal ;)

you want removal so make friendly as possibly but personall still you can remove what you dont want...

i have installed Mate, so im bussy on removing gnome dependcies.. i remove mayby some icons of it also.. it remove also whole or part of the Mate-desktop ;)

if i remove Xfce, it removes the Lxdm also, that is not what i want...

think better to have more control in Pamac! if you remove parts..

and if parts needed..., it must give a menu first on my idea :)
like on up text:

Cant resolve depencies remove this depencies? :
you get a list where you can choose it wat would be a gonner..
then on the second part it comes shows a list what will be removed..,

personal needs more control in Pamac :)

dont wanna make you angry about it :), its just my idea... to take more control in it..if you dont read the removal you can do worse,
its not that al users this do on this way remove whole Xfce, but you must see as an option, :)

dont know who others think about it?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 11. February 2013, 11:38:58
I'm glad to hear that the basics working now. Have to play with it a little more, but I think we are getting there.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 17. February 2013, 16:54:49
Pamac seems to work flawlessly on 0.8.4 Mate install .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 17. February 2013, 20:05:03
But have to reboot after installs , is it normal !
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 18. February 2013, 00:59:37
After some reboots , everything goes well now with Pamac .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 18. February 2013, 15:09:57
I'm glad to hear that the basics working now. Have to play with it a little more, but I think we are getting there.
I used pamac for installing some libreoffice packages:
I filled the search textbox with "libreoffice"
I checked (explicit install) libreoffice-fr libreoffice-gnome libreoffice-writer
pamac opened a dialog box (without any cancellation button) and asked for selecting the language pack I already selected!
if I perform the same actions with pacman (sudo pacman -S libreoffice-fr libreoffice-gnome libreoffice-writer), no issue is encountered
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 19. February 2013, 02:29:50
Pamac will need some tweakings I guess .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 19. February 2013, 10:36:04
Pamac will need some tweakings I guess .
Sure and it is the reason why I posted my findings

Edit: Oh! I've discovered pamac-tray...
Added in XFCE autorun
Let's logout...
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 19. February 2013, 11:52:06
Can we configure pamac-tray (for exaple: refresh frequency)?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 19. February 2013, 11:58:57
Sure and it is the reason why I posted my findings

Edit: Oh! I've discovered pamac-tray...
Added in XFCE autorun
Let's logout...

Ah , I did it that way , but their are other ways to do it , I m not good enough with commands in order to fix it .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 19. February 2013, 12:18:31
The current pamac-tray is a very first implementation and is more an example than a real app.
For now it only check updates when the app is launched so it's not very useful. That's why it was not annouced.
Developpement in progress..
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 19. February 2013, 12:23:09
Good news , don t remember who , but we can do Pamac with Terminal Commands , it would be good in order to have some tutorials on this .

You re getting there by the way . Keep it on .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 19. February 2013, 13:06:32
Pamac is only a gui, in a terminal use pacman.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 19. February 2013, 13:14:15
Ok , but how come thiese work from Terminal :

pamac-manager
pamac-tray
pamac-updater

Might not be as Pacman commands but it works .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 19. February 2013, 13:33:57
those are just the binaries. You'll start always a gui or tray-application. pacman is a cli-application you can add switches and additional cmds. pamac written into a terminal will simple open that application, similar to gedit and nano.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 19. February 2013, 13:42:31
Ok thanx .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 19. February 2013, 14:29:39
The current pamac-tray is a very first implementation and is more an example than a real app.
For now it only check updates when the app is launched so it's not very useful. That's why it was not annouced.
Developpement in progress..
Knowing that it exists is already a great news! Can we have any roadmap? Can we use bugs report for any feature request?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 19. February 2013, 15:42:35
Atm I'm working on pamac-tray to make it checking updates periodically. When it will be done, pamac will have all the features I wanted when I decided to code it.
Then I think I will paused the developpement of new features and working on having a really stable and reliable app (For example, some more work has to be done to give more understandable information when errors occured).
After it will be time to have translation support and implement some requested features.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 19. February 2013, 16:07:22
Keep it on Guilnux .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: snorkel on 19. February 2013, 18:26:35
Guillaume Benoit, one of our Core-Developers, is currently working on pamac, our simpe pacman gui for Manjaro Linux.
He is using python, python-gobject, pyalpm and Gtk3 as dependencies.

Just a question, how come no one is using Lazarus and the Free Pascal Compiler to create utility apps for Manjaro?
Seems like it would be a ideal environment for creating a installer or package manager that would be easy to update with
minimal dependencies.  Lazarus even has a set of custom drawn widgets with all the basics that have no dependencies on QT or GTK etc and that would be a idea way to go.

Just wondering.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 19. February 2013, 18:59:12
please, let the development team choosing the tools...
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 19. February 2013, 19:02:55
Just a question, how come no one is using Lazarus and the Free Pascal Compiler to create utility apps for Manjaro?
Seems like it would be a ideal environment for creating a installer or package manager that would be easy to update with
minimal dependencies.  Lazarus even has a set of custom drawn widgets with all the basics that have no dependencies on QT or GTK etc and that would be a idea way to go.

Just wondering.
in which distro doesnt use no python? and pascal?  he is doing a great job only time is always an essence !what you use, to make it right it takes time..
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: eskaini on 19. February 2013, 19:08:58
Just a question, how come no one is using Lazarus and the Free Pascal Compiler to create utility apps for Manjaro?
Seems like it would be a ideal environment for creating a installer or package manager that would be easy to update with
minimal dependencies.  Lazarus even has a set of custom drawn widgets with all the basics that have no dependencies on QT or GTK etc and that would be a idea way to go.

Just wondering.

Really, stop this. We don't use Lazarus and Pascal because we don't like it.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: dicktater on 19. February 2013, 20:10:02
Atm I'm working on pamac-tray to make it checking updates periodically. When it will be done, pamac will have all the features I wanted when I decided to code it.
Then I think I will paused the developpement of new features and working on having a really stable and reliable app (For example, some more work has to be done to give more understandable information when errors occured).
After it will be time to have translation support and implement some requested features.
Thanks for the heads up, guinux! Then I will wait until a better time to make a simple and helpful feature request. (http://enhancedtripplanner.transit.511.org/transitmmtp/img/traffic-conditions-stoplight-icon.png) :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 20. February 2013, 09:32:21
Atm I'm working on pamac-tray to make it checking updates periodically. When it will be done, pamac will have all the features I wanted when I decided to code it.
Then I think I will paused the developpement of new features and working on having a really stable and reliable app (For example, some more work has to be done to give more understandable information when errors occured).
After it will be time to have translation support and implement some requested features.
I like to read such a pragmatic roadmap! Many thanks Guinux
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 20. February 2013, 18:37:46
personally? i prefer pamac-installer would be rock sollid first when dev further :) think on that you can get some huge forum mails to...
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: poker98face on 21. February 2013, 12:37:55
Can i unistall pacman-gui, pkgbrowser and kalu after installing pamac?  ???
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: eugenez on 22. February 2013, 17:58:20
hi,

where does pamac writes logs?

is it possible to write information about the installed packages in /var/log/pacman.log?

thnx
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 22. February 2013, 18:41:48
Can i unistall pacman-gui, pkgbrowser and kalu after installing pamac?  ???
As someone already said: "Yes We Can!"

Seriously, kalu may be still useful til pamac-tray is working well
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 22. February 2013, 20:09:49
I cannot install geogebra with pamac: if I tick the checkbox and I click on "Apply" ("Appliquer" in the French locale) then nothing happens.

I wonder if the root cause is that pamac doesn't ask for choosing which java-runtime I want to install (pacman asks such a question)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: eugenez on 24. February 2013, 06:41:35
pamac-tray is not starting because /usr/bin/pamac-check-updates is missing
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$ cat /var/log/pacman.log | grep pamac
[2013-02-24 12:21] upgraded pamac (0.4.0-2 -> 0.4.1-1)

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$ yaourt -Qs pamac
addon-testing/pamac 0.4.1-1
    A gtk3 frontend for pyalpm

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$ pamac-tray
Exception in thread Thread-1:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3.3/threading.py", line 639, in _bootstrap_inner
    self.run()
  File "/usr/bin/pamac-tray", line 70, in run
    self.task()
  File "/usr/bin/pamac-tray", line 75, in task
    call(['/usr/bin/pamac-check-updates'])
  File "/usr/lib/python3.3/subprocess.py", line 521, in call
    with Popen(*popenargs, **kwargs) as p:
  File "/usr/lib/python3.3/subprocess.py", line 818, in __init__
    restore_signals, start_new_session)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.3/subprocess.py", line 1416, in _execute_child
    raise child_exception_type(errno_num, err_msg)
FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] Нет такого файла или каталога: '/usr/bin/pamac-check-updates'

pamac.service is starting successfully

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фев 24 12:22:19 samsung-n127 dbus-daemon[244]: dbus[244]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.manjaro.pamac' unit='pamac.servi
фев 24 12:22:19 samsung-n127 dbus[244]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.manjaro.pamac' unit='pamac.service'
фев 24 12:22:19 samsung-n127 systemd[1]: Starting Pamac...
фев 24 12:22:20 samsung-n127 dbus-daemon[244]: dbus[244]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.manjaro.pamac'
фев 24 12:22:20 samsung-n127 dbus[244]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.manjaro.pamac'
фев 24 12:22:20 samsung-n127 systemd[1]: Started Pamac.

I tried to create a bug-report, but it was not possible
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Query {INSERT INTO `flyspray_tasks` ( task_id, date_opened, last_edited_time, project_id, item_summary, detailed_desc, opened_by, percent_complete, task_type, item_status, product_category, product_version, closedby_version, operating_system, task_severity, task_priority, mark_private, due_date, closure_comment, anon_email ) VALUES (?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?)} with params {81,1361684324,1361684324,1,pamac-tray is not starting because /usr/bin/pamac-check-updates is missing,pamac-tray is not starting because /usr/bin/pamac-check-updates is missing $ cat /var/log/pacman.log | grep pamac [2013-02-24 12:21] upgraded pamac (0.4.0-2 -> 0.4.1-1) $ yaourt -Qs pamac addon-testing/pamac 0.4.1-1 A gtk3 frontend for pyalpm $ pamac-tray Exception in thread Thread-1: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.3/threading.py", line 639, in _bootstrap_inner self.run() File "/usr/bin/pamac-tray", line 70, in run self.task() File "/usr/bin/pamac-tray", line 75, in task call(['/usr/bin/pamac-check-updates']) File "/usr/lib/python3.3/subprocess.py", line 521, in call with Popen(*popenargs, **kwargs) as p: File "/usr/lib/python3.3/subprocess.py", line 818, in __init__ restore_signals, start_new_session) File "/usr/lib/python3.3/subprocess.py", line 1416, in _execute_child raise child_exception_type(errno_num, err_msg) FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] Нет такого файла или каталога: '/usr/bin/pamac-check-updates' pamac.service is starting successfully фев 24 12:22:19 samsung-n127 dbus-daemon[244]: dbus[244]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.manjaro.pamac' unit='pamac.servi фев 24 12:22:19 samsung-n127 dbus[244]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.manjaro.pamac' unit='pamac.service' фев 24 12:22:19 samsung-n127 systemd[1]: Starting Pamac... фев 24 12:22:20 samsung-n127 dbus-daemon[244]: dbus[244]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.manjaro.pamac' фев 24 12:22:20 samsung-n127 dbus[244]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.manjaro.pamac' фев 24 12:22:20 samsung-n127 systemd[1]: Started Pamac.,51,0,1,1,13,12,0,3,4,2,0,0,,} Failed! (Incorrect string value: '\xD0\x9D\xD0\xB5\xD1\x82...' for column 'detailed_desc' at row 1)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 24. February 2013, 12:33:59
It is fixed with the rebuild. Sorry for this issue.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 24. February 2013, 12:46:00
I cannot install geogebra with pamac: if I tick the checkbox and I click on "Apply" ("Appliquer" in the French locale) then nothing happens.

I wonder if the root cause is that pamac doesn't ask for choosing which java-runtime I want to install (pacman asks such a question)
This issue is solved! Thanks for quick reaction
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: eugenez on 24. February 2013, 13:26:15
It is fixed with the rebuild.
Now it works, thanks.

philm, answer my question about the location of the pamac logs, pls.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 24. February 2013, 13:30:01
Ask Guillaume. I think there aren't any logs for pamac yet.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 24. February 2013, 13:30:23
Yes sorry for the missing script in the first build.
Now pamac 0.4.1 is out. It's smarter than ever and comes with a working tray which can be launched with the pamac-tray command.
@eugenez: a log file is planned for soon.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 24. February 2013, 13:49:25
looking good :)

an rss-feeder for manjaro news would also be great  for later then :)

shall setting on my autostart !

+1
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 24. February 2013, 16:04:34
Yes sorry for the missing script in the first build.
Now pamac 0.4.1 is out. It's smarter than ever and comes with a working tray which can be launched with the pamac-tray command.
@eugenez: a log file is planned for soon.
does pamac use a copy of pacman db files when it checks for updates like kalu does?
if no, do you plan such a feature?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Ayceman on 24. February 2013, 20:32:43
I cannot install geogebra with pamac: if I tick the checkbox and I click on "Apply" ("Appliquer" in the French locale) then nothing happens.

I wonder if the root cause is that pamac doesn't ask for choosing which java-runtime I want to install (pacman asks such a question)

'libflashsupport-oss' does the same thing for me too (not that I need it, I almost accidentally installed it, but it is a bug).
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: wongs on 25. February 2013, 07:03:25
Quote
Can i unistall pacman-gui, pkgbrowser and kalu after installing pamac?

As someone already said: "Yes We Can!"

Seriously, kalu may be still useful til pamac-tray is working well

I assume from the above that kalu can coexist with pamac-tray?  They won't conflict with each other if I run both simultaneously?

Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 25. February 2013, 08:39:41
yes you can.. but two notifyer is to much??
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: wongs on 25. February 2013, 08:47:46
yes you can.. but two notifyer is to much??

Prefer to keep kalu until I'm sure that pamac-tray works fine on my PC.   :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 25. February 2013, 16:24:17
Quote
does pamac use a copy of pacman db files when it checks for updates like kalu does?
No the reason why kalu behaves like that is solved differently in pamac.
Quote
'libflashsupport-oss' does the same thing for me too (not that I need it, I almost accidentally installed it, but it is a bug).
Yes this is a bug, it's fixed in last sources but it's because the packager of libflashsupport-oss decided to make it conflicts with itself !
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: 0xnak on 25. February 2013, 20:29:43
I had a quick question about pamac...when removing a package, is there a setting anywhere to get it to remove the dependencies it installed for that package as well?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 25. February 2013, 21:28:19
I had a quick question about pamac...when removing a package, is there a setting anywhere to get it to remove the dependencies it installed for that package as well?
as pacman -Rs or as pacman -Rss?
whatever you wish, I think it is a good idea too
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: 0xnak on 25. February 2013, 21:50:10
If I'm not mistaken though, the default behavior in pamac is just to remove that one package you choose and not the dependencies. Correct?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 26. February 2013, 07:50:02
Last pamac already behaves like "pacman -Rcs"
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 26. February 2013, 17:28:25
Hey!
"Removing a package AND its unused dependencies installed within this package installation" (question from 0xnak, pacman -Rs) is slightly different from "Removing a package AND all the packages which need it" (pacman -Rc)

the current version is mixing the both features (told by Guinux, pacman -Rcs)

by using pacman -Rcs, you can easily hurt your hamster...
Have a look at the pacman wiki page (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman#Removing_packages)
When I am at home this evening, I will try to remove xorg-server bu using pamac (the list of package to be removed will be large but I guess no error will occur)

using the "pacman -Rs" is enough and safe

I smell a feature request being cooked in my kitchen...
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 27. February 2013, 08:57:20
The cascade option (-c) is needed because without it, trying to remove a package installed as a dependency of another one will always fail.
Removing packages should always be done with caution. This option is safe if you read carefully the transaction summary before proceed.
If you have any doubt of what should be done, post in this forum before...
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 27. February 2013, 14:04:02
The cascade option (-c) is needed because without it, trying to remove a package installed as a dependency of another one will always fail.
So what? As a newbie (I guess I'm not one anymore), I would prefer to fail during a package removing attempt (a nice message which explain that the dependency would be useful) than cascading action.
I understand that as the developer you chose the easiest option to be implemented (-Rsc never fails, so no exception to handle) but it is not the best for stability.
More over, the -Rc option is not reversible

Removing packages should always be done with caution. This option is safe if you read carefully the transaction summary before proceed.
If you have any doubt of what should be done, post in this forum before...
Of course but the transaction summary shoulb be more explicit:
there should be 3 different parts:
packages explicitely removed (the user unticked the checkbox)
unused dependencies implicitely removed (because of the 's' option)
packages to be removed because they need a package being removed (because of the '-c' option)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 27. February 2013, 15:02:09
It's not my point of view but of course it can be discussed.
If many people agree that the default options for package removals should be changed, I will certainly do it. Just know that grabbing the reason why a package should be removed (as you suggest) would be complex.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: YFDogan on 27. February 2013, 15:14:54
May be adding these commands as a button into pamac will be useful:

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Remove all nonneeded packages:

pacman -Sc $(pacman -Qdtq)


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Clean the nonneeded packages anymore:

pacman -Rs $(pacman -Qtdq)


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Reinstall all packages:

pacman -S $(pacman -Qq | grep -v "$(pacman -Qmq)")

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cleaning the cache:

pacman -Sc
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 27. February 2013, 15:31:47
It's not my point of view but of course it can be discussed.
If many people agree that the default options for package removals should be changed, I will certainly do it. Just know that grabbing the reason why a package should be removed (as you suggest) would be complex.
Guinux, discussions are always great and useful here!
I've just created this poll (http://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=2383.0)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 28. February 2013, 14:24:42
May be adding these commands as a button into pamac will be useful...
You're right. These features would be nice to have. Let's Guinux choosing the GUI (buttons, dialog box, menu)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 28. February 2013, 14:28:42
+1 , I also think that these commands should come in with Pamac .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: LCJr on 28. February 2013, 21:22:02
Played with Pamac for a bit and it worked quite well and handled dependencies nicely on install and uninstall.  Couple questions if I may.

Any plans to add terminal output?  Something like the *buntu's Software Center 'show more' button that opens a terminal window.  I don't know about anyone else but I prefer to see if things are going smoothly during updates.

Will/is Pacman-GUI become obsolete now?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: eskaini on 28. February 2013, 21:50:19
Played with Pamac for a bit and it worked quite well and handled dependencies nicely on install and uninstall.  Couple questions if I may.

Any plans to add terminal output?  Something like the *buntu's Software Center 'show more' button that opens a terminal window.  I don't know about anyone else but I prefer to see if things are going smoothly during updates.

Will/is Pacman-GUI become obsolete now?

Don't know about the terminal output. The idea of Pamac is to hide that stuff from new users. You could always learn to use pacman in the terminal, though.

I think the Pacman-GUI should still work, but it really was just there as a transitional step before pamac.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 01. March 2013, 14:10:38
Any plans to add terminal output?  Something like the *buntu's Software Center 'show more' button that opens a terminal window.  I don't know about anyone else but I prefer to see if things are going smoothly during updates.
pamac is not a pacman-cli wrapper... bad idea
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: davidnotcoulthard on 01. March 2013, 14:20:50
pamac is not a pacman-cli wrapper... bad idea
I'm not sure - It's OK when Synaptic shows it.
(http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=synaptic+terminal+output&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=vWxaiK885NytBM&tbnid=TP3TUUt0gV1UhM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmonksblog-malspa.blogspot.com%2F2012_03_01_archive.html&ei=DKswUfemEOvjmAWW2IGYDw&bvm=bv.43148975,d.bmk&psig=AFQjCNGZyDTNBcdCFCokmLHqps6MvFvjVQ&ust=1362230402916489)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 01. March 2013, 14:25:01
not sure it isn't a pacman-cli wrapper or not sure it is a bad idea?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: LCJr on 01. March 2013, 18:14:46
Don't know about the terminal output. The idea of Pamac is to hide that stuff from new users. You could always learn to use pacman in the terminal, though.

I think the Pacman-GUI should still work, but it really was just there as a transitional step before pamac.

Sorry, more questions.  Anyone have any screenshots of what an error message for a failed install/update looks like?  IMHO hiding stuff is fine as long as you don't go too far with it.  Asking because I was trying out a Fedora-based distro recently and something went wrong with at least one of the 150+ updates and it only gave an error message letting me know something went wrong and zero details.  A reminder of where the log files are at least would have been nice, actual information would have better:)

Ran Arch for a few months so somewhat familiar with Pacman.  Really like it but I also freely admit to be lazy:)  Like the Pacman-GUI for the simple reason it lets me indulge in my laziness and still provide a detailed output. 
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 01. March 2013, 23:22:01
if some failed on pamac you should even watch on pacman -Syy and -Syu ...

sometimes  things not clear if you use the updater i suppose...wthen with terminal it get more clear... so you can fix it.

Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tflovik on 01. March 2013, 23:26:20
I feel confident in using pamac now, found out it removes dependencies also. So i dont have to worry about cluttering my harddrive with files i dont need.

I have removed pacman-gui now :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 01. March 2013, 23:52:55
always watch out , what it removes.... can be important.. depencies is like a tree, missing something and the tree falls down :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 03. March 2013, 00:57:46
So true , I guess it what happened to me a while ago .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: oriolfa on 03. March 2013, 08:48:31
Well... I'm sure there will be a reason for not being able to browse/install aur (yaourt) packages from pamac, but for a newbie like me this should be a must.

IMHO if you replace pacman package-browser you should provide a way to (at less) browse aur packages. I know this can be done with the terminal or other yaourt gui's, but I think pamac would be perfect for new manjaro users like me if we have the ability to manage every single package out there from the same place. Is this too dificult to do?, or pamac is not intended to do it? If I can help on this, let me know.

Thanks.
Oriol.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 03. March 2013, 12:29:54
hi

you can still browse the Aur with pkgbrowser  you can install it also if you want.

for an newB user from ubuntu  or something is not like opportune to use aur directly.. i have my own flavours like packagemanager and i used it also that can handle both.. but is personal.

pamac is a nice package manager, still in baby steps.. but im sure it will envolve to much better....

im hoping also that in future more options comes and not to be more like look a like of  gnome-package kit, to have an button of some options to control... list of orphans or something or Rankmirror... mayby ad an option to choose which layer you want to use :) unstable/testing / stable :)

but something like that has to envolve....or something just a list to choose which server you want... And
with Rss you can add collor at the end green like up to date, yellow out-dated and red down :)

:)
Title: Re: pamac - what are the advantages over Pacman?
Post by: ruziel on 03. March 2013, 15:55:35
i found Synaptic easy to use in Mint & I find Pacman easy to use on Manjaro. can someone please lay out the advantages of starting to use Pamac? i can't imagine it being easier than either of the first two mentioned. maybe it is much better at removing apps & their dependencies without messing up the system. can someone lay out the advantages/disadvantages? apologies if it's in an earlier page of comments - i must confess I haven't read all 12+ pages of comments. i find Pacman super easy. thanks, Ruziel.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 03. March 2013, 15:59:39
An native package manager is nice and pamac is build after gnome-packagekit only advantage they have control over te package.. still under development , but it will be stable atlast and will evolve to more supportives in to the distro (!) they could build more options with in with out doing Terminal that would be very friendly atlast.. but this is easy also very simpel.

its mayby not looking for now, but watch how it evolve to something better ;)

and pacman you can always use.. but for newB is this also an nice packagemanager :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ruziel on 03. March 2013, 16:05:57
ringo32, thanks - i think i'll stick with pacman in the meantime & change over to pamac at a later date - it would be great to eventually use a native Manjaro package manager. i find it hard to understand how a package management tool can't extract ALL dependencies that are not being used by another part of the system. if they're being used elsewhere, surely one doesn't want to remove them. but i'm not a techie, so it's obviously much harder to extract dependencies safely than i realise.

loving Manjaro in the desert.

Ruziel.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 03. March 2013, 16:25:10
Well to  use it you Help also...

only watch out what you do, and in mean time is improved, only watch what you doing, if you dont know its right test it in pacman and job is done, but you can report it! when noone report pamac wouldnt get better :) share the experience :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 07. March 2013, 12:03:08
Here s what I got after some commands because Pamac was stuck on Refreshing after this :

rm /tmp/pamac.pid
rm: cannot remove ‘/tmp/pamac.pid’: No such file or directory

Now what I m doing please .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ultima on 07. March 2013, 12:24:37
A found solution from a new member Robert Trance was found :

sudo rm /var/lib/pacman/db.lck
sudo pacman -Syy and -Syu after, or simply pacman -Syyu.

It worked for me on my end .
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Chuck on 10. March 2013, 12:57:20
It would be nice to see a pamac software center with also integrated cleaning of the packages in automatic...

However on pamac there are no all the packages when you try to search... if you try with  yaourt there's many more
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: eskaini on 10. March 2013, 13:03:50
It would be nice to see a pamac software center with also integrated cleaning of the packages in automatic...

However on pamac there are no all the packages when you try to search... if you try with  yaourt there's many more

Yaourt access a completely different - unofficial - repository called the Arch User Repository. Pamac just accesses our official repositories.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Chuck on 10. March 2013, 14:48:19
In the next realase of pamac , could we choose to add AUR too ?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Qsvgxn on 12. March 2013, 23:30:06
Hi all. I'm having a problem with pamac that some people think might have something to do with polkit but I'm not sure. I've had this problem for a while and it seems to have happened suddenly involving no updates or any system changes, it just one day started doing this. I made a thread about it here:

http://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=2650.0

tl;dr I can't install or uninstall anything through pamac because a whenever I do a window pops up saying "You are not authorized" and won't let me do anything.


Thanks for your help
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: martinr on 17. March 2013, 00:01:20
Same thing with pamac happening here, manjaro0.8.4-e17-edition
Gonna ask also in e17-subforum

Thanx

Martin
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 17. March 2013, 12:08:19
did you have polkit at your startups, even on that loaded right in?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: xircon on 17. March 2013, 13:00:36
I have a problem with pamac-manager, I hadn't launched it for a few days, today it is completely blank, all the groups but no packages in right hand pane.

Steve
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 17. March 2013, 13:03:53
then you have an problem with pyalmp or libalpm? did you had refreshed te data base? pacman its self is up to date.. strange...
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: xircon on 17. March 2013, 13:09:16
Yep, up to date (tracking testing), no obvious errors in terminal (until I quit the program).
Code: [Select]
pamac-manager
Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/53-monospace-lcd-filter.conf", line 10: Having multiple values in <test> isn't supported and may not work as expected
get handle
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3.3/site-packages/pamac/main.py", line 722, in on_treeview1_selection_changed
    set_packages_list()
  File "/usr/lib/python3.3/site-packages/pamac/main.py", line 179, in set_packages_list
    refresh_packages_list()
  File "/usr/lib/python3.3/site-packages/pamac/main.py", line 153, in refresh_packages_list
    if name in config.holdpkg:
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'holdpkg'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3.3/site-packages/pamac/main.py", line 722, in on_treeview1_selection_changed
    set_packages_list()
  File "/usr/lib/python3.3/site-packages/pamac/main.py", line 179, in set_packages_list
    refresh_packages_list()
  File "/usr/lib/python3.3/site-packages/pamac/main.py", line 153, in refresh_packages_list
    if name in config.holdpkg:
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'holdpkg'
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 17. March 2013, 14:23:37
Congrats, you've found a miscellaneous bug ;) It will be fixed in next release.
It's because you commented (or erased) the HoldPkg array in /etc/pacman.conf file.
You shouldn't do that (but you discovered a bug).
It's highly recommended to leave it as default :
Code: [Select]
HoldPkg = pacman glibc manjaro-systemCorrect this a pamac should work again.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 17. March 2013, 15:00:37
+1 :)

@guinux

can you not add an icon button on further release??  there comes a window like thunderbird / chromium..
and make pamac more configuratble? on which type of pacman you want as example**

personally? i dont like cascade mode :) but more onsettings etc.. will be very nice... reason why i use pacmanxg its doing more on pacman... bit more work on someparts,OK..

And mayby change your mind to not to work on polkit anymore?? mayby just more on gksu??

under icon settings you can also add the rankmirror scripting and choice for edit your Mirrorlist... would always be fine...

but is some idea... is not for must :) for shore :)

but im hapy that bug is found :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: davidnotcoulthard on 17. March 2013, 15:42:54
I'm sorry if someone else has said this.

http://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=2826.msg23244#msg23244
http://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=2826.msg23261#msg23261

And I've said this, just in case nobody saw it:

Buttons for pacman -Scc and pacman -Rs $(pacman -Qqdt) would be lovely in my opinion.

Any comparisons between the features of Pamac and Octopi, by the way? Is Octopi a bit more Synapticesque than Pamac?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 17. March 2013, 16:01:23
pamac used not the model of synaptic or something, more in model like gnome-packagekit :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: davidnotcoulthard on 17. March 2013, 16:15:17
Quote
Is Octopi ;D a bit more Synapticesque than Pamac?
note: Pamac which doesn't and probably shouldn't try to be Synapticesque at all? :o
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: xircon on 17. March 2013, 23:50:55
Congrats, you've found a miscellaneous bug ;) It will be fixed in next release.
It's because you commented (or erased) the HoldPkg array in /etc/pacman.conf file.
You shouldn't do that (but you discovered a bug).
It's highly recommended to leave it as default :
Code: [Select]
HoldPkg = pacman glibc manjaro-systemCorrect this a pamac should work again.

Ooops, I did (and I did it because I had made some changes and erroneously thought holdpkg was one and reversed it) - but can I have a gold star for finding a bug?

As someone on here's signature says - you make I'll break it :D
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 18. March 2013, 16:35:06
Youhave now better than a gold medal, you have now my eternal gratitude  ;D
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 28. March 2013, 10:47:42
Pamac 0.5 is out in unstable repos.
It comes with many new features :D :
- all panels are resizeable
- packages list is now better displayed with icons
- packages can now be sorted by groups, repos, or state (installed, uninstalled, orphans)
- a size column has been added in packages view
- the download size is now displayed in transaction summary and updater window
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 28. March 2013, 17:36:33
In testing and unstable:

Pamac 0.5.1 is out !
New features:
- all panels are resizeable.
- a size column has been added (corresponding to installed size in all cases).
- the real download size is display now in ConfDialog and in updater window.
- interactive search on name is available in package list panel (choose a long list like "Installed", click on any package, then type "pacman" on your keyboard).
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 28. March 2013, 17:37:00
In testing and unstable:

pamac 0.5.2 is out !
- It comes with tabs in package infos and for installed files.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: cumali on 28. March 2013, 17:58:12
@philm, pamac 0.5.2 link?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: fassil on 28. March 2013, 18:37:01
Hi,

Pamac 0.5.1 is very nice, but it freezes a bit, sometimes forced to kill it & pamac tray too (& can't doing anything with from systray, no permissions)

A +
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 28. March 2013, 18:44:13
@fassil: if you reproduce the freeze, run "pamac-manager" in a terminal then give output.
@cumali: http://repo.manjaro.org.uk/addon-unstable/i686/pamac-0.5.2-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: cumali on 28. March 2013, 18:59:54
Thanks @guinux.

pamac 0.5.2.1 screenshots.

(http://s18.postimg.org/mpi6vy06t/Screenshot_from_2013_03_28_19_47_15.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/mpi6vy06t/)

(http://s16.postimg.org/6rmpapzv5/Screenshot_from_2013_03_28_19_47_42.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6rmpapzv5/)

(http://s13.postimg.org/m1efxsx5f/Screenshot_from_2013_03_28_19_47_55.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/m1efxsx5f/)

(http://s16.postimg.org/e8vwpxpe9/Screenshot_from_2013_03_28_19_48_08.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/e8vwpxpe9/)

(http://s12.postimg.org/wbea4p5ih/Screenshot_from_2013_03_28_19_48_28.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/wbea4p5ih/)

(http://s14.postimg.org/8rj2hd2fx/Screenshot_from_2013_03_28_19_48_47.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/8rj2hd2fx/)

(http://s13.postimg.org/ljnvvowyb/Screenshot_from_2013_03_28_19_49_01.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ljnvvowyb/)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 30. March 2013, 00:00:23
didnt notice :) looking bit more Adult :)

i hope also an icon comes you can open an menu tab an enable some settings, you can choose how pacman can handle and rankmirrors ..:)

Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tomq on 01. April 2013, 21:03:24
As I wrote in this topic: http://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=3049.msg27310#msg27310 (sorry for doubling posts)

Is there something wrong with Pamac or something with me.
When I  uniinstalled  "hplip" Pamac uninstalled cups with this! Why Pamac is uniinstalling depedencys??
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 02. April 2013, 10:46:10
Yes pamac behaves like "pacman -Rcs", it can cause troubles for some needed packages which are marked as installed as a dependency.
I will have a look, regarding the fact that last pamac have the features to list orphans, I can easily set pamac to not remove dependencies.
What's your opinion ?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Warez on 02. April 2013, 10:55:40
 Small suggestion for pamac-manager. It will be nice if allservers.sh could be integrated to the interface of the progam. By default script wasn`t there so i searched wiki. Now i use a bash alias to use the script. IMO it will be better to have all features like mirrorranking and aur updates in to pamac-manager.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 02. April 2013, 11:23:31
Yes pamac behaves like "pacman -Rcs", it can cause troubles for some needed packages which are marked as installed as a dependency.
I will have a look, regarding the fact that last pamac have the features to list orphans, I can easily set pamac to not remove dependencies.
What's your opinion ?
A poll was already created for this: http://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=2383.msg19411#msg19411
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 02. April 2013, 13:18:34
No the discussion is here between "-Rc" and "-Rcs"  :o
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 02. April 2013, 13:42:42
my bad...
What about adding options in pamac?

FYI, I posted something in the Support for Unstable subforum (http://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=3163.0)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tomq on 02. April 2013, 22:57:45
IMHO better is option:
>> all depencies which was installed by the package being removed are removed if they are not used anymore (option -s)<<

Possibly - give the user the choice (for example choice-box in program).
   


On this moment I am forced to uniinstall some package and their depedency, and again install only depedency (which is depedency for other package). Previously, I only uniinstalled what  I wanted it to be uniinstall, and other packages were not touched.


In package-menager from manjaro 0.83 everything worked just as it should;)

Quote
What about adding options in pamac?
For me - good.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 04. April 2013, 17:56:06
@tomq: you refering to pacman-gui. Did you test Octopi yet? Pamac will be always our default graphical package manager. Octopi is a nice alternative. You might like it better.

Pamac 0.6-series will be still based on libalpm 4.0.3. This means we will keep Pacman 4.0.3 a little longer.
With Pamac 0.7-series we will adopt to libalpm 4.1-series. This means we will patch Pacman 4.1 also with some extra features Manjaro-Linux needs, like the SyncFirst option. We will realize that need with our own code not to mess with upstreams libalpm code.
So we will be still 100% compatible with Archlinux.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 04. April 2013, 18:12:30
This means we will patch Pacman 4.1 also with some extra features Manjaro-Linux needs, like the SyncFirst option.
Indeed the feature is a must for Manjaro. Is "manjaro-system" included in this option currently? (I can't check now as I'm in office)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 04. April 2013, 18:40:25
manjaro-system is using SyncFirst option. We might even implement it to pacman and pamac directly. It is one of the features, making our updates so easy.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Warez on 04. April 2013, 19:57:47
Small suggestion for pamac-manager. It will be nice if allservers.sh could be integrated to the interface of the progam. By default script wasn`t there so i searched wiki. Now i use a bash alias to use the script. IMO it will be better to have all features like mirrorranking and aur updates in to pamac-manager.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 04. April 2013, 21:21:11
Small suggestion for pamac-manager. It will be nice if allservers.sh could be integrated to the interface of the progam. By default script wasn`t there so i searched wiki. Now i use a bash alias to use the script. IMO it will be better to have all features like mirrorranking and aur updates in to pamac-manager.
Excellent proposal
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 05. April 2013, 15:25:25
Seems somebody mailed Allan (http://allanmcrae.com/2013/04/we-are-not-that-malicious/) ... please keep Manjaro issues and suggestions in our Universe ... Guillaume is already working on adopting pamac ...
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 08. April 2013, 13:41:24
Pamac 0.6 is out!

Features

Pamac is now translated in :
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Esclapion on 08. April 2013, 16:56:18
Thanks. A lot of work.  :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 08. April 2013, 17:12:31
Guillaume is already working on adopting pamac ...
I hope he has adopted his tool for a long time...  ;D
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 08. April 2013, 17:30:08
Quote from: Guillaume
I'm also testing pacman 4.1 and libalpm 0.6. As far as I tested it, it does not break pamac, only minor adjustments will be needed ;)

... which is good news. We might ship pacman 4.1-series soon.

In testing and unstable we uploaded pamac 0.6.1 which fixes minor translation issues and adds Greek.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tflovik on 08. April 2013, 18:09:21
I have made a few corrections in the Norwegian translation.

Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 08. April 2013, 19:46:03
thx. committed it to git.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 13. April 2013, 14:50:47
Pamac 0.7.0 released
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 13. April 2013, 14:55:23
Pamac 0.7.0 released
  • support for libalpm 4.1 added
  • translations updated

You say you're too slow????? I've just achived to test pamac 0.6.1...
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 13. April 2013, 14:56:43
Guillaume is the maintainer of pamac. I was slow with kalu and yaourt ;)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 13. April 2013, 17:38:13
So I updated pamac to 0.7 and here is the result for packages-manager:

browsing packages by groups => ok
browsing packages by repository => ok (I notice some delay before having the list of extra and community repositories as it existed for previous version)
browsing packages by states => quite ok (delay before having the list of not installed packages is quite important)

searching for package => ok

installing yaourt (had to remove it before being able to update pacman to 4.1) => ok (yajl and package-query were correctly installed as dependencies)
removing yaourt => ok (only yaourt is removed because it was explicitely installed and package-query was added in the orphans list)
installing yaourt again (I need it...) => ok (yaourt is intalled again and package-query was removed from the orphans list)

The enhancement I submit is:
  change the icon curson while an action takes some times and freeze the GUI.
    current situation:
      the user clicks on "community" in the list of "repositories"
      pamac is searching for packages... the GUI is frozen
      pamac displays the list and "community" is finally selected

    proposal:
      the user clicks on "community" in the list of "repositories"
      "community" is selected and the cursor is changed (from the classic arrow icon to the busy one)
      pamac is searching for packages... the GUI is frozen
      pamac displays the list and the cursor is changed (from the busy icon to the classic arrow)     
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 13. April 2013, 17:41:03
Another enhancement I submit is:
displaying the list of dependencies which will be kept after deletion in the summary dialog box
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 15. April 2013, 16:50:17
Thx for your feedback. I work on gui backend code improvements, your suggestions to fix the freeze when pamac is searching packages are already added.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 15. April 2013, 21:19:15
Great!

Another finding...
Since this evening, manjaro-system requires manjaro-settings-manager

from pacman, trying to remove manjaro-settings-manager (sudo pacman -Rc) fails wih a warning (with default answer set to 'N') because manjaro-system is in HoldPkg

from pamac, trying to remove manjaro-settings-manager is "sucessful". I should write "cataclysmic" because the system is totally broken
the behaviour should be the same as pacman one => if a package to be removed because of cascading is in HoldPkg then the transaction fails
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 15. April 2013, 22:26:15
personal i like an option  to handle...removing is not a safe issue on pamac..
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 15. April 2013, 22:54:07
options are always good of course!

Another findings:

intial case = netcfg is installed, netcf is not installed
action = trying to install netctl
result = fails with a strange message "netcfg conflicts with netctl but cannot removed because it is required by netcf" (or something like that)
sudo pacman -S netctl can be performed (after confirmation of course)

initial case = netctl is installed
action = trying to install netcfg
result = fails with not handled error (pm_error 47)
sudo pacman -S netcfg can be performed correctly (after confirmation of course)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: oriolfa on 15. April 2013, 23:32:00
A sugestion: Is it posible to add a column with the package version in the package list? For me is very useful to sort packages by version, to get related packages together. Also, it lets me see quickly the versions of the packages without the needing of click each one. (thanks) ;)

Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 16. April 2013, 08:04:42
Thx for all those reports, I will work on it. With you, pamac is better at every release :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: colinkeenan on 16. April 2013, 17:23:40
Great!

Another finding...
Since this evening, manjaro-system requires manjaro-settings-manager

from pacman, trying to remove manjaro-settings-manager (sudo pacman -Rc) fails wih a warning (with default answer set to 'N') because manjaro-system is in HoldPkg

from pamac, trying to remove manjaro-settings-manager is "sucessful". I should write "cataclysmic" because the system is totally broken
the behaviour should be the same as pacman one => if a package to be removed because of cascading is in HoldPkg then the transaction fails

Since this evening, manjaro-system requires manjaro-settings-manager
But, I don't have manjaro-settings-manager installed and my system is up to date. I do of course have manjaro-system.

By the way, what is manjaro-settings-manager? I mean in more detail than just a way to change the settings of manjaro-system. I couldn't find manjaro-settings-manager in a search of the wiki or blog.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 16. April 2013, 18:13:40
Since this evening, manjaro-system requires manjaro-settings-manager
But, I don't have manjaro-settings-manager installed and my system is up to date. I do of course have manjaro-system.

By the way, what is manjaro-settings-manager? I mean in more detail than just a way to change the settings of manjaro-system. I couldn't find manjaro-settings-manager in a search of the wiki or blog.
Sorry... I should have mentionned that my system is based on the "unstable" repositories for giving more feedback to core-team...

manjaro-settings-manager is incorporated in the last snapshots (0.8.5) and is not yet automaticaly installed while an upgrade. this feature is coming soon (currently it is in unstable, then it will reach testing and finally the stable repos)

this tools will be the manjaro control centre in the future.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 21. April 2013, 18:19:03
So I updated pamac to 0.7.1 and here is the result

The enhancement I submit is:
  change the icon curson while an action takes some times and freeze the GUI.
implemented!
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 21. April 2013, 18:27:23
from pamac, trying to remove manjaro-settings-manager is "sucessful". I should write "cataclysmic" because the system is totally broken
the behaviour should be the same as pacman one => if a package to be removed because of cascading is in HoldPkg then the transaction fails
implemented!

the proof of test:
trying to remove pacman-init which is directly needed by manjaro-system fails with an error message teeling that manjaro-system is locked
trying to remove haveged which is indirectly needed by manjaro-system fails with an error message teeling that manjaro-system is locked
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 21. April 2013, 18:40:35
intial case = netcfg is installed, netcf is not installed
action = trying to install netctl
result = fails with a strange message "netcfg conflicts with netctl but cannot removed because it is required by netcf" (or something like that)
sudo pacman -S netctl can be performed (after confirmation of course)

initial case = netctl is installed
action = trying to install netcfg
result = fails with not handled error (pm_error 47)
sudo pacman -S netcfg can be performed correctly (after confirmation of course)

both issues are fixed
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 21. April 2013, 18:51:48
A sugestion: Is it posible to add a column with the package version in the package list? For me is very useful to sort packages by version, to get related packages together. Also, it lets me see quickly the versions of the packages without the needing of click each one. (thanks) ;)

Impemented!
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 21. April 2013, 19:24:54
Yes, thanks to you pamac gets better ;)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 22. April 2013, 12:09:11
I opened a new topic for pamac 0.7.1 findings...
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: geezer on 26. April 2013, 15:26:12
Like others here, I ran into a few issues after updating/upgrading. Among them pamac no longer worked.

I searched and found this link and then ran

sudo pacman -Sy pamac

And now it seems that things are working again....  :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 04. May 2013, 14:27:40
fun: panac things you downgrade :p

dbus something from 1.6.8 to 1.6.10 he ask for downgrade very confusing :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 04. May 2013, 16:23:03
Yes it's a stupid bug, sorry. I will fix it. It's a display bug, it does not a affect your system.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 05. May 2013, 19:05:14
Fixed in pamac 0.7.3  :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: klaatu on 06. May 2013, 03:58:47
Hello, this is what I wrote in the newbie forum, and Ringo thought it would be a good idea to post it here.
So I did...

Just wondering something:
lately it was almost impossible to get updates without any hickups, so I had to fix it manually.

Most of the time I got errors like:
Found proper advice on the fantastic forum, but being new to Manjaro (and pacman) I wonder:

Would it be possible to...
instead of just showing the error in a message window to have a second button that applies the fixes automatically?

I'm sure some fellas in this forum with Arch/Pacman experience might now think:
And I'm utterly sorry for my ignorance in this regard, but maybe it's possible to offer "FIX" buttons that apply fixes according to the error.

Example:
This error:
has this fix:
Code: [Select]
sudo rm -v /var/lib/pacman/db.lck
sudo pacman -Syu

Which worked 100% of the time for the error mentioned above.

This being said, I would like to recommend to add some "FIX" functions/buttons to Pamac.
It would ease the updates tremendously as (searching the forum) I'm not the only one that "can't help himself".

Also the fixes are almost the same (no matter what clashes happened) maybe 3 or 4 different fixes solve 90% of the problems.
Just thinking outside the box...

Thanks for reading.

Don't know how hard it would be to implement this...
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: vanlong441 on 06. May 2013, 04:02:59
@klaatu

There is such button in pacmanxg. I agree with you on having it in pamac.

(http://i.imgur.com/pCaR5fds.png) (http://i.imgur.com/pCaR5fd.png)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 07. May 2013, 00:29:23
i prefer also some option :) with installing how it handles also on removing.. Cascade can be user friendly but i like also more control...


if you remove something like a Theme, it can happend that Pamac will remove LXDM so or a option  to tells you which removal option you wanna use, or partly cascade, it give a list what you wanna remove if you put ok, but even on them you can uncheck if something in the list of removal  if its not on depency it will remove other not the unchecked think.. so bit of mixup, but not a full cascade... :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: jaskerx on 21. May 2013, 19:09:57
Are the pamac developers planning on instituting a feature similar to kalu where it will tell you that there are updates from the aur? If I wanted to change the color of the pamac-tray icon how would I do that?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 22. May 2013, 10:49:58
AUR support in pamac is not planned yet for stability reason.
All icnons used by pamac are in /usr/share/pamac/icons.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Malsasa on 30. May 2013, 17:31:19
Pamac is wonderful, even if it still in alpha. May I give the team an idea? This pamac should have actual speed in KB/s when downloading.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Warez on 01. June 2013, 19:53:03
Pamac is wonderful, even if it still in alpha. May I give the team an idea? This pamac should have actual speed in KB/s when downloading.

+1
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Se7enTime on 03. June 2013, 06:06:43
how i can change Languange Interface in Pamac?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 03. June 2013, 13:19:40
Pamac uses your environment variables to find your language.
Do you have any trouble or just want to test another language ?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 04. June 2013, 21:12:17
maybe you add an option menu to choose the languages also manually. Might be a nice feature. Auto select can be always standard.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 05. June 2013, 10:11:53
Maybe one day.
Know that the choosen locale have to be enabled in /etc/locale.gen and generated with "sudo locale-gen" to be fully supported.
For now, if you want to test another language you can generate it as explain above and run in a terminal (French locale in the example, adapt it for another language): "LC_ALL=fr_FR.UTF-8 pamac-manager"
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 05. June 2013, 10:37:14
would be handy see picture left under a option button bit sloppy..
idea is you can bring more options behind it... just how the way pamac will handle, cascade is standaqrd, but is usefull to have more options.. even
pamac-mirrors config in that would be friendly also behind the button it will be at the end in manjaro-settings i gues... but this also think about...?

(http://i.imgur.com/DAwl1Zp.png) (http://imgur.com/DAwl1Zp)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 08. June 2013, 01:04:16
a bug in unstable : with pamac-updater vs manjaro-system http://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=4936.0

i tell install manjaro-system so it goes to other install, then a fault of pamac... so the integration with manjaro-system is not so well.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: YFDogan on 08. June 2013, 20:25:25
Is it possible to add optional update packages in update notifier. I use octopi from git for example and this is whay it is allways newer then the octopi package in repos. Updater notify me allways to update octopi but I have the newer one. If you can add selection boxes near the available packages so we can select the packages which one we want or not.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: handy on 09. June 2013, 02:57:46
So you want a GUI connection to this section of the /etc/pacman.conf :

Code: [Select]
# Pacman won't upgrade packages listed in IgnorePkg and members of IgnoreGroup
IgnorePkg   = ace-of-penguins mediawiki
#IgnoreGroup =
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: YFDogan on 09. June 2013, 09:19:15
Thanks Handy. I knew that, but for newbies it is difficult to play with pacman.conf. But a selection box near the listed packages to update would be easy I guess.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: handy on 09. June 2013, 10:07:39
I knew you knew YF, I was just verifying that I understood it right. I should explained my meaning better in that post. ;)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 09. June 2013, 12:51:45
Partial upgrades are not recommend because it can breaks some dependencies.
IgnorePkg is for users who know what they do so they can edit a file.
Pamac takes care of IgnorePkg and IgnoreGroup in pacman.conf.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 11. June 2013, 16:39:03
Pamac 0.7.5 is out and immediately available in unstable repo.

As usual it comes with fixes but also with some new features:
- a right click menu was added in packages list.
- in the right click menu comes the new options "reinstall", "install opt deps" or "install with opt. deps" depending of the package's state.
- in the opt deps list in details tabs you can now see for each one if it is installed or not.

Translations have also been updated and pamac is now translated in 20 languages (thanks to all translators).
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: YFDogan on 11. June 2013, 16:52:54
Additional sentences translated brother. ;)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 16. June 2013, 17:06:08
[bug report]

I have found out if you made an local Repository for your own Aur packages...
but if the file is not proper mounted..
pamac-updater dont show up even something blocks pamac give also some error message..

is nothing if you just do general.. i have now mounted my local repo proper , before not.

but now show the pamac-updater icon in the panel proper.. :)

Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 19. June 2013, 09:04:50
I need more details, what is the error message ?
Anyway, nothing has to be mounted to use a local repository, how do you create it ?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 19. June 2013, 10:18:13
ah.. sorry. i had mounted wrong not in fstab :) mayby is just an thing on my site, have now in fstab... have to look further.. im not sure anymore on few parts...

because i monted first on thunar. i place my saved packages there, with repo-add repos.tar.gz something like that made dbase file and set it also in pacman.conf,

because in first place i didnt mounted i saw pacmac update not in the panel. on start of pamac it give error and pamac-updater is online, but today i it did again so have to look what the error is on my side or not..


i dont know.. have to look for that first what real.. :) sorry
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 19. June 2013, 10:41:02
Ok, if your packages files are in a unmounted filesystem, it is normal you have an error.
Anyway, it should not block completely pamac-updater. Can run pamac-updater ina terminal with the concerned filesystem unmounted and give me the error ?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 19. June 2013, 10:52:41
im still not sure what it is

--> unable to update database, pm_errno 0 (unexpected error)


..

after boot it dont show up... today also.. i think should remove some cache, i have removed something here lately so i dont know what...

only if start pamac-manager, from menu then its load the updater..

i shall this evening remove somecaches mayby is it that i dont know.. w
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: MadmanRB on 21. June 2013, 18:11:47
I actually see Pacmac as rather weak compared to other package managers I have used.
It lacks a lot of features like the ability to add repos and such.
Its okay but I have seen better, including Ubuntu Software center
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Esclapion on 21. June 2013, 18:17:04
Need to add repositories is rather a defect of the Debian base.

We are on an Archlinux base, it's not the same.

So far I've *never* needed to add a repository to my Manjaro.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: MadmanRB on 21. June 2013, 20:04:22
Need to add repositories is rather a defect of the Debian base.

We are on an Archlinux base, it's not the same.

So far I've *never* needed to add a repository to my Manjaro.

I wouldn't call the need for extra repositories on Debian a defect, after all its nice to have software that is not in the default repositories.
On some distros i wish there were more ppas and the like, magia for starters.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Esclapion on 21. June 2013, 20:09:52
I have software that are not in the official repositories or in AUR (very little else), but I've never needed to add a repository. No need of ppas also.

For which you have been in need ?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: MadmanRB on 21. June 2013, 20:18:00
More of things i wanted, I mean its okay to have smaller repositories and all but when you want something it becomes a pain to compile sometimes.
Hopefully there will be a ppa like system who knows.

The thing is that i really dont want to compile software, for some things it takes ages to do and its more of a pain to work with then binaries.
This is why i like debian/ubuntu, so many packagers and maintainers to go to.
No need for compiling and all that nonsense.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Esclapion on 21. June 2013, 20:25:35
Anyone compiling anything, not necessarily in the same system as you, at the risk of compromising the stability of your machine ?

I do not like at all.

This is not the Archlinux system and pamac can not change it.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: MadmanRB on 21. June 2013, 20:40:58
Well everything is a risk dude, besides I never had too much trouble with precompiled packages on other distros.
My philosophy is that an OS should treat the end user as the end user and not someone who needs to compile code.
Leave coders to do the coding and the rest of us to use the system without the need of it.
I know there are command line junkies and coders out there, I am not one of them.
I am a average joe user in the end.
Sure i can compile stuff if i really wanted it but the point is I should not have to.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: gabi12 on 21. June 2013, 20:52:47
Sorry to say, but why don't you use yaourt then you can get newer versions or use the unstable then you get them quicker. If that not ok then why are you using manjaro at all? Don't blame the manjaro theam for the good work they do with this distro.

This is may thoughts!
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Zorglub on 21. June 2013, 20:56:07
My philosophy is that an OS should treat the end user as the end user and not someone who needs to compile code.
Leave coders to do the coding and the rest of us to use the system without the need of it.
I know there are command line junkies and coders out there, I am not one of them.

sudo yaourt -S packagename

next, you awnser "yes" to two questions.  The process is slightly longer than using precompiled code, but still, yo don't need to be a coder or a command line god to do it.

Seriously, is that really more painfull than adding yet another ppa to an ubuntu based distro and having to watch for compatibility between ppas yourself?  I don't think so, but to each it's own I suppose.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: mkennedy150 on 21. June 2013, 21:06:30
If you like the idea of the closed system so much where the end user doesn't need to interact with the system as much maybe you should be using Windows or Mac OS.  The whole idea behind linux is too be open not too make another clone where you have to pay for a license to use your OS instead of owning it.  I'm glad you like ubuntu but arch follows a different philosophy.  Too each his own but I rather have a rolling release then having to reinstall every 6 months unless it's a LTS release.  Every OS has pros and cons but it doesn't make much sense to come too another community and complain about it when you seem too already have your mind set that ubuntu is for you.

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Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 21. June 2013, 22:21:04
Pamac is also still beta.. it getting better and betteR.. before pamac they had pacman-gui made it cause of Gnome-packagekit they liked that package manager. but one trouble was it didnt work well with pacman so pacman-gui came temporarly.

There is no need to scheen repository in pamac. this future will mayby come somewhere else. Manjaro-settings-manager is not fully ready so if there comes a gui to generate pacman-mirrors that should be te place. Manjaro uses only manjaro mirrors , it isnt  so compatible as with arch forum that can get trouble to.

in future im sure pamac can be better. Why take an foreighn packagemanager as standard when you cant controlling it?

yaourt is an service that manjaro come in but i prefer something like pacman or pamac to take it from repo. and yaourt from aur. i dont mix personally..

its looks mayby an clone of packagekit but in time it will improved im sure. the simplicity is just the keyword :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: MadmanRB on 21. June 2013, 23:05:37
Sorry to say, but why don't you use yaourt then you can get newer versions or use the unstable then you get them quicker. If that not ok then why are you using manjaro at all? Don't blame the manjaro theam for the good work they do with this distro.

This is may thoughts!

Nono, you misunderstand. I have no issue here with the Manjaro team or anything.
I am just saying that i wish some things didnt require command line thats all.
I am using Manjaro as it interested me and i will go into detail over the next few replies.

sudo yaourt -S packagename

next, you awnser "yes" to two questions.  The process is slightly longer than using precompiled code, but still, yo don't need to be a coder or a command line god to do it.

Seriously, is that really more painfull than adding yet another ppa to an ubuntu based distro and having to watch for compatibility between ppas yourself?  I don't think so, but to each it's own I suppose.

Well yes I can see yaourt is very simple to use, though it does take longer to compile thing then it is to install a binary.
As for PPA's yeah it can be messy if you dont know what you are doing, but there is a drawback to compiling too.
As in the time it can take and all that.
Compiling wine seems very tricky for instance.
But meh yaourt seems okay though I hope to see a gui frontend offered by default for new users.

If you like the idea of the closed system so much where the end user doesn't need to interact with the system as much maybe you should be using Windows or Mac OS.  The whole idea behind linux is too be open not too make another clone where you have to pay for a license to use your OS instead of owning it.  I'm glad you like ubuntu but arch follows a different philosophy.  Too each his own but I rather have a rolling release then having to reinstall every 6 months unless it's a LTS release.  Every OS has pros and cons but it doesn't make much sense to come too another community and complain about it when you seem too already have your mind set that ubuntu is for you.

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And now we get to this post.
Ugh if its one thing i cannot stand is elitism, look put it frankly I think responses like this are un called for.
Look I thought the goal of Manjaro was to be an arch distro targeted at BOTH old and new Linux users, after all the mission statement on the main page states:
Quote
Manjaro is a user-friendly Linux distribution
Usually when that is stated it means anyone should and could use it if they wanted to.
From hardcore coders to people who barely know what an OS is.
For me user friendly means not having to use the terminal, heck when I used ubuntu I barely touched a terminal and I did fine.
And just because I am average joe user doesnt mean I am stupid and should only use windows or OSX, it just means I want some things to work the way I want them.
For the most part Manjaro has been very easy for me to use, i only touched the terminal a few times and thats fine.
But in the future i think there should be more guis for new users to get what they want.
Linux should not be an elitist group of coders who look down at the rest of us like we are dumb because most of us click on a big blue E to get on the net.
Now me I dont do that, I have used linux for over 6 years and have gotten my head around it pretty well methinks.
But on the same token I barely used command line in that whole time, pretty good record too as most of the distros I have used like ubuntu have very good guis to interact with the system.
Right now Manjaro is still young so I think it will improve on the fronts I think it should.
Less reliance on command line the better I say, this is 2013 not 1993.
Linux is over 10 years old now so it had plenty of time to go away from command line.
For me having to use the terminal seems more of a step back.

Pamac is also still beta.. it getting better and betteR.. before pamac they had pacman-gui made it cause of Gnome-packagekit they liked that package manager. but one trouble was it didnt work well with pacman so pacman-gui came temporarly.

There is no need to scheen repository in pamac. this future will mayby come somewhere else. Manjaro-settings-manager is not fully ready so if there comes a gui to generate pacman-mirrors that should be te place. Manjaro uses only manjaro mirrors , it isnt  so compatible as with arch forum that can get trouble to.

in future im sure pamac can be better. Why take an foreighn packagemanager as standard when you cant controlling it?

yaourt is an service that manjaro come in but i prefer something like pacman or pamac to take it from repo. and yaourt from aur. i dont mix personally..

its looks mayby an clone of packagekit but in time it will improved im sure. the simplicity is just the keyword :)

Yeah i can see pacmac is new, so heres hoping it will improve. :D
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: mkennedy150 on 22. June 2013, 00:07:53
I didn't mean for it too sound elitist.  I have used a lot of distros even Ubuntu so I have no problem with your choice that is what Linux is suppose too be about.  Linux would have an easier time with some things if hardware vendors and the likes weren't so closed source.  Problem is the big corporations don't want to give any leeway unless it benefits them financially and since a lot of the software written for Linux is only by a very small team it takes longer.  Ubuntu has moved so fast because it has had money and a large team behind it since the beginning. 

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Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 22. June 2013, 00:22:50
But by the way this sort of discussion Pease a new topic for this :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Ayceman on 22. June 2013, 22:38:19
You could get AURQT to manage aur in a gui (I'm waiting to see if a gtk version pops up). Or PacmanXG for integrated management of both official repos and AUR.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 16. July 2013, 01:16:57
Lets Make Pamac better :)


is it Possible,  when you install a programm like ehh Banshee when you have in it, it install standard with all of those depencys

Most issues on some it dont give the optional Depencys..Standard..so it has to search what you have to install :o to get it work like installing k3b but you will miss someting important what you wanna use.

What my suggestion is, when you something install,  it give a menu what it will install standard now, but let is also a new window to suggest which optional Depencys you wanna install it.
sometimes dont need it. but you can check those and will install with it ! thats also an ask from someone.

this thing is just user friendly too :)

if this can work..

is good :)



Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 21. July 2013, 01:25:12
Please also watch this video before you update: Current situation with pamac (http://manjaro.org/2013/07/20/current-situation-with-pamac/)

Guillaume is on vacation for three weeks or so. I recommend to collect some ideas and present them to him when he comes back.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 21. July 2013, 01:37:10
how can it make better. pamac is build on Pyalmp, updater like kalu, they pick some information almp i suppose.

personally i just thinking, make an framework of python. arround an terminal. you can even make it unseen or seen. status panel and further the updates goes through sort of terminal.

like using some code from pyqonsole (aur) written in python.. let the updater take pacman update ... if it could some buttons for eventually yes or not when needed..

its not only that.. its also sort usefull to have a sort of Fix-update option.
i mean when is had some glitches and missed Manjaro-system..just hit the fix button and let manjaro-system work again..

only he has also to focus to manjaro-system bit more when it recognize in syncfirst and show up it should know for sure when its ready..

was my thought?
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 21. July 2013, 13:06:31
pamac 0.7.5.1 fixes the libcl bug. Now only this bug remains:

Quote
–> transaction preparation failed, pm_errno 45 (could not satisfy dependencies), [('openobex', 'bluez-libs', None), ('blueman', 'bluez-libs', None)]

So I tested it once more and found this out:

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Grub replaces:

pamac
grub-common will be replaced by grub
grub-bios will be replaced by grub
grub-efi-i386 will be replaced by grub
grub-efi-x86_64 will be replaced by grub

pacman
:: Replace grub-bios with core/grub? [Y/n]
:: Replace grub-common with core/grub? [Y/n]
:: Replace grub-efi-i386 with core/grub? [Y/n]
:: Replace grub-efi-x86_64 with core/grub? [Y/n]

Bluez replaces

pamac
bluez will be replaced by bluez-utils

pacman
:: Replace bluez with extra/bluez-utils? [Y/n]
:: Replace bluez with extra/bluez4? [Y/n]

Other replaces

pamac
pyqt-common will be replaced by pyqt4-common
python2-pyqt will be replaced by python2-pyqt4
webkitgtk3 will be replaced by webkitgtk
lib32-dbus-core will be replaced by lib32-dbus

pacman
:: Replace pyqt-common with extra/pyqt4-common? [Y/n]
:: Replace python2-pyqt with extra/python2-pyqt4? [Y/n]
:: Replace webkitgtk3 with extra/webkitgtk? [Y/n]
:: Replace lib32-dbus-core with multilib/lib32-dbus? [Y/n]

bluez gets replaced by two packages. This situation pamac can't handle yet. I'm currently looking into it.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: ringo on 24. July 2013, 03:15:13
@philm it was also when you saw Manjaro-system it was in a flash en later it took the other updates..
manjaro-system is a key of manjaro it should have some time and work space in pamac.

synchfirst option doesnt work proper.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: mkennedy150 on 24. July 2013, 04:26:51
I usually use pacman but an option I think would help that is in octopi is when you install or update you can tell it to update or install in terminal so you can see what's going on.  This is the main reason I prefer octopi over pamac.
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 10. August 2013, 12:11:01
Hey, I'm back now.
I'm so sorry for the trouble you had with pamac.
The libcl bug was fixed in git the 19th of July but I didn't have time to publish it before be living my house. It is fixed in pamac 0.7.5.1 thanks to philm who made a version from git when I was in vacation.
I didn't experience the bluez replace bug. I will investigate...
Title: Re: pamac - simple pacman gui for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 10. August 2013, 17:49:27
Hi Guillaume,

great, you're back. I hope we can fix the bluez bug. Simply use the 0.8.6 release in a Virtualbox and test it. For this case I've also a box set-up to see if it works.
The git is now on our gitlab. Please sync from it. I like pamac more than octopi, which is now also fully supported by Manjaro. Together we get it done.
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 10. August 2013, 18:48:10
Ok, I will work on this bug.
I'm still waiting from Roland to access again to my mails and to git.
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 10. August 2013, 20:35:59
I'm admin on git. just mail me what you need. Did you already register?
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 10. August 2013, 21:12:33
Done
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 10. August 2013, 22:58:13
Add your ssh-key to gitlab and get on working. Gave you the needed rights. Now you have the same as me and Roland.
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 26. September 2013, 20:14:56
We will soon update to pamac 0.8.0 which will be based on our custom pyalpm package.

The main features are:
- new gui
- stable (as far as we tested it) backend for updates or transactions with Guillaume's custom pyalpm
- you can install local packages from pamac-manager (you can also do it from cli with pamac-install cmd or from your file manager)
- an about window (not really a feature)
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 17. October 2013, 20:10:11
Guillaume updated pamac to 0.9-series with followed changes:

The dbus daemon is back to perform transactions so GUI is launched as normal
user, that fixed some bugs which came with pamac 0.8. Pamac-install should also
works fine now from file managers and cli accepts again relative paths.
I added a close button in pamac-updater and the apply button is unclikable when
no updates are available. Pamac-tray high cpu usage bug should be completely
fixed. I also improve the kernel modules check so now pamac should acts as
mhwd-kernel(more tests needed).

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sudo pacman -U http://repo.manjaro.org.uk/pool/overlay/pamac-0.9-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: excalibur1234 on 19. October 2013, 01:42:42
to guinux:

in another thread ( http://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=7617.0 ), linuxpcplus mentioned a program called "pkgbrowser", which has all packages from arch/manjaro repositories sorted nicely in categories.

pamac has also a section called "groups", but the groups/categories of pkgbroswser are a lot easier for newbies. there are also more categories with easier names e.g. games, media, video, audio, etc.

do you know pkgbrowser? how do you like it?
do you think you can integrate the best parts of pkgbrowser into pamac? if not, is it possible to combine pkgbrowser with pamac (search packages in pkgbrowser and download+dependencies+install them with pamac)?
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Kraig on 27. October 2013, 11:39:55
i can hope that in the future pamac manage packages of aur like octopi?
or i can even now have the heart in peace using octopi in place of pamac?
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 27. October 2013, 14:35:35
I would have like to announce it only when it is ready but I'm currently working on adding aur support in pamac :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Kraig on 27. October 2013, 14:51:36
thank you much, good work. 8)

i wanted know just this, ie that exist in the future the possibility of communicate with aur through pamac. was all here.
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Esclapion on 27. October 2013, 15:04:38
AUR support will really be a good thing.  :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: yukon2508 on 27. October 2013, 16:49:25
there is a choice. i prefer kalu as an notifier and  there is octopi-notifier too, both with aur-support. both are so much better than pamac,  why to stick with pamac i wonder? only cause it's manjaro-specific? pamac causes so much trouble in the past and still yet, so thanks to arnt for octopi, it's running like a charme. why not join and even make a better thing
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: excalibur1234 on 27. October 2013, 17:54:25
there is a choice. i prefer kalu as an notifier and  there is octopi-notifier too, both with aur-support. both are so much better than pamac,  why to stick with pamac i wonder? only cause it's manjaro-specific? pamac causes so much trouble in the past and still yet, so thanks to arnt for octopi, it's running like a charme. why not join and even make a better thing

i have tried octopi a couple of times and i do not like it. i am used to pamac. octopi feel slower. the design of octopi is (unnecessarily) complicated. the search function was really strange the last time i used octopi.
now i gave you some reasons, why i prefer pamac. you can think differently. it is good to have the choice after all!
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Esclapion on 27. October 2013, 18:41:13
i have tried octopi a couple of times and i do not like it. i am used to pamac. octopi feel slower. the design of octopi is (unnecessarily) complicated. the search function was really strange the last time i used octopi.
now i gave you some reasons, why i prefer pamac. you can think differently. it is good to have the choice after all!

Same choice for same reasons.
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Kraig on 29. October 2013, 16:14:52
it would be nice that some functions of octopi are integrated in pamac and concentrate the forces on the latter, abandoning the development of octopi. better one, but comprehensive and well done.
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: yukon2508 on 29. October 2013, 16:58:23
yep. join forces.,but nothing happens. same ole i see within the linux-community, you both are doing such a good job.
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: excalibur1234 on 29. October 2013, 19:49:31
join forces?

if they want to, they can.
if they do not want to, they should not.

linux is about choice. if all linux people devs should join forces, manjaro and arch would be gone immediately.

i like choice. in the long run, it produces the best system and it makes linux exciting.

keep up the great work!
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 29. October 2013, 22:16:16
We already joined forces. Arnt is a Manjaro Developer as Guillaume was already. So we have both developers on the same team and yes they discuss and share their work. Both projects have different approaches. Pamac is a package manager using libalpm directly and Octopi is a frontend for pacman. You can share your ways but sharing code is much harder on these different concepts.
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: yukon2508 on 30. October 2013, 09:19:45
We already joined forces. Arnt is a Manjaro Developer as Guillaume was already. So we have both developers on the same team and yes they discuss and share their work. Both projects have different approaches. Pamac is a package manager using libalpm directly and Octopi is a frontend for pacman. You can share your ways but sharing code is much harder on these different concepts.
thanks for the explaination, now i understand better :-)
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: jemadux on 08. January 2014, 14:48:36
can i use only sudo on pamac and not with my root password ? is there something like that ..
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Ayceman on 08. January 2014, 17:50:46
I doubt it - by design it calls a gksu, not gksudo.
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: tun in a cellar on 08. January 2014, 20:21:58
The launcher installed by default launches the command "pamac-manager".
Changing it in order to launch the command "gksudo pamac-manager" does the job

You can also change the default behaviour of the privilege granting tool (\parameters\privileges granting")
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 09. January 2014, 13:09:03
@jemadux: yes it's possible, see:
http://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=8850.msg78690#msg78690
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 19. June 2014, 10:10:52
Pamac 0.9.9-pre1 (https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=14423.0) is out ...
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: storelyckan3 on 02. August 2014, 23:34:44
How to start pamac?

Quote
gtk-update-icon-cache: Cache file created successfully.
==> The polkit-gnome agent is no longer autostarted by default
    except in GNOME Flashback.
    For Xfce, LXDE etc., lxpolkit is the suggested lightweight alternative.
    See https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Polkit#Authentication_agents
    for more details.
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Lukimya on 02. August 2014, 23:44:36
How to start pamac?

Add/remove software? or typing pamac in command line.
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: storelyckan3 on 03. August 2014, 15:35:58
I find "Add/remove software"
Typing pamac in command line.doesn't work for me.

Tank you!
Manjaro is har to start with for beginners. I miss a real beginners guide with simple thing like write a command like "pacman -s program-name" but after a day I can do simple things on my two laptops (Lenovo Yoga and Samsung N210 Netbook). But Manjaro with full interface is to heavy on the netbook with Atom. Must learn more about command line :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: arvislacis on 05. August 2014, 14:17:16
I find "Add/remove software"
Typing pamac in command line.doesn't work for me.

You may try this:
Code: [Select]
pamac-manager
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: flipper on 05. August 2014, 15:06:00
I miss a real beginners guide with simple thing like write a command like "pacman -s program-name" ...
Haven't you seen the Beginner User Guide.pdf in the /home/manjaro/Documents/ folder? It's a real nice tutorial to discover the Manjaros goodies.

Also check the excellente wiki
https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Lukimya on 05. August 2014, 15:24:42

Manjaro is har to start with for beginners. I miss a real beginners guide with simple thing like write a command like "pacman -s program-name" but after a day I can do simple things on my two laptops (Lenovo Yoga and Samsung N210 Netbook). But Manjaro with full interface is to heavy on the netbook with Atom. Must learn more about command line :)

pacman and yaourt have been discussed and introduced to the bone in the arch-wiki. Things not to be found on manjaro wiki are to be found over at arch in general.

Also there is no need to force cli use over yourself. A fluent use of it takes years and most people like myself have developed own habbits of using computer where certain things are being done in GUI as others almost exclusively on command-line
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Rob on 13. August 2014, 05:39:02
As of AUR 3.0.0 (https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2014-May/028539.html), it now fully supports split packages.

For example, look at chromium-pepper-flash:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/chromium-pepper-flash/

Click to "View PKGBUILD" and you'll find yourself looking at the PKGBUILD for chromium-plugins, which creates both chromium-libpdf and chromium-pepper-flash.

The AUR search interface still lists the packages separately (as it should, since it now properly supports split packages).

Pamac isn't handling this, it can see there's an updated version of (say) chromium-pepper-flash, but when it tries to update it just sits there doing seemingly nothing.
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: guinux on 17. August 2014, 17:00:39
Currently I'm rewriting pamac in vala for more speed and simplicity. I will have a look at this and go back to you if needed  :)
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: joelishness on 06. December 2014, 20:39:36
guinux, could you take a look at this thread and behavior request?
https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=18278.msg169688#msg169688
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Rob on 10. May 2015, 09:28:56
Lizbeth1, your post had nothing to do with Pamac so i've deleted it. Note the difference: Pamac vs Pacman (and even if this was a thread about Pacman, it still wouldn't be the appropriate place for your post. Your problem is related to package signatures issues when you try to update). Make yourself a new thread asking for help with your problem.

Also, the first result of a Google search for 'manjaro signature problems' probably has your solution.
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: philm on 23. April 2016, 21:36:06
Our fourth beta is now out:

(https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/5050022/14763612/dc7bed10-099a-11e6-8b0b-f42f6dd1eee7.jpg)

Guillaume was working for some time on a new design for pamac. Even if there is still some work to do, he wants some feedback on the work he had done so far. That for he proposed a preview version.

It has a new design:
So tell us (https://github.com/manjaro/pamac/issues/113) what you think about it ...
Title: Re: pamac - simple graphical package manager for Manjaro Linux
Post by: Mozon on 10. May 2016, 21:46:41
I have noticed the changes after the last update.

For me the previous version was beautiful and fit was better to xfce.

Looks too much gnomish for me, I changed to octopi now.

Regards

Mozon