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Support for Community Editions => Others => Budgie => Topic started by: wonka on 19. September 2014, 19:21:09

Title: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: wonka on 19. September 2014, 19:21:09
I want to try to build a new iso of manjaro with Budgie desktop as DE.

Goals of the project are:

Someone to help/join the project with me?
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: philm on 19. September 2014, 19:34:15
looking forward to it ...
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: Jeannie on 19. September 2014, 19:36:59
Budgie is still far from being finished and it's Gnome 3, so it requires 3d capable graphics and ist not very lightweight.
So I don't think it's suitable for old/low perf hardware.

I'm a little worried too about Budgie and the effects that coming GTK+3 changes will have on it.
J.
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: PingoDindo on 19. September 2014, 19:46:34
Agree with what Jeannie said but PM me, I am not a coder but might be of some help/man hours.
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: ringo on 19. September 2014, 22:46:20
you can always go to Manjaro-IRC if i am there i can help also if you want. :)
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: xircon on 19. September 2014, 23:21:23
I think it is a good idea, but only if no budgies are hurt during it's production :D

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f249/laurasitler/birdsarescary.gif)
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: mandog on 19. September 2014, 23:43:41
I think it is a good idea, but only if no budgies are hurt during it's production :D

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f249/laurasitler/birdsarescary.gif)
Your biggest problem is Budgie is not yet at the beta stage and the git version changes regulary and sometimes breaks I would hold on till gnome hits 3.14 then budgie will be synced with it.
I'm using budgie just PM me when you are ready
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: mips on 20. September 2014, 01:04:56
Thing that worries me is gnome/gtk3, they seem to break things the whole time which is even more concerning on a rolling release platform.
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: mandog on 20. September 2014, 01:40:31
Thing that worries me is gnome/gtk3, they seem to break things the whole time which is even more concerning on a rolling release platform.
This is not true if you use Gnome as I do its only  true if the distro uses a custom theme and then waits to see if it breaks instead of testing while GTK is in Beta.
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: Justin on 21. September 2014, 13:05:46
Please also spin 64-bit, 32-bit only really is a waste and won't get used as much as a 64-bit one.

What's the progress on this one?
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: Jeannie on 21. September 2014, 13:47:33
This is not true if you use Gnome as I do its only  true if the distro uses a custom theme and then waits to see if it breaks instead of testing while GTK is in Beta.

There have been massive breakages with every update of GTK+3, expect such stuff for GTK+3.14 too. Not talking only aboutthemes, but also about 'extensions' and decorations.
Vanilla Gnome 3 (as is) is unuseable by the way.
J.
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: mandog on 21. September 2014, 14:11:44
There have been massive breakages with every update of GTK+3, expect such stuff for GTK+3.14 too. Not talking only aboutthemes, but also about 'extensions' and decorations.
Vanilla Gnome 3 (as is) is unuseable by the way.
J.
Jeanie Budgie does not use Gnome shell, or extentions, only GTK tool kit, its a desktop WM designed by Ikey.
And vanilla Gnome3 is very usable for users willing to let go of the past?
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: Jeannie on 21. September 2014, 14:22:15
Jeanie Budgie does not use Gnome shell, or extentions, only GTK tool kit, its a desktop WM designed by Ikey.
And vanilla Gnome3 is very usable for users willing to let go of the past?
if you say so, mighty Mandog.
By the way: Define Desktop WM please
J.
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: ringo on 21. September 2014, 14:25:08
personal i, think budgie still need to be matured more it would be cool if it matured more and get more user friendly.. bu still need too much gnome parts for theming and stuff
and using gsettings ...
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: mandog on 21. September 2014, 14:30:21
if you say so, mighty Mandog....
J.
This is Ikey talking about a few points on distrowatch one of them about budgie
63 • @62 (by IkeyDoherty on 2014-08-29 23:08:06 GMT from United Kingdom)
Hi there :)

I can assure you my reasons for shutting down SolusOS had nothing to do with either finance or family. What you are stating unfortunately comes through many skewed sources that I have suffered reading over the last year, with ever increasing degradation in quality..
One rumour was that I gave up SolusOS to start a new job, despite already being in said job for 6 months before starting it. The irony also being I work exclusively with open source software :P

Anyway, no sense in me repeating myself for the rest of my life, so on to your point about GNOME 3.
When most people say GNOME 3 they mean the Shell, which is incorrect in the context of Budgie. It does not use shell. Myself, personally, I really dislike Shell.

We use GNOME technologies, but so does everyone. Whether its glib, or network-manager, or libgweather, or pwquality, or various tons of projects that are part of the GNOME umbrella, in one way or another we're all using them.

This is what Budgie does. The window manager is built around libmutter, as is GNOME Shell, and Gala from Pantheon. Budgie uses its own session manager, and the panel is written in Vala/GTK3 by myself. Please see: https://github.com/evolve-os/budgie-desktop/

So in reality I am not taming anything, I'm creating something new by using things that exist :) I gain the advantage of integration, a far lower technical debt and a healthy upstream relationship with various projects, putting me in a position I thoroughly enjoy :)

Also note that budgie-desktop is simply one source package that can already be installed on 5 distributions, and officially in 1 derivative, and available in many other derivatives. As opposed to a vast number of packages for MATE that I do not need.

Also note MATE completely goes the traditional route of GNOME2, whereas Budgie doesn't. As an option, you can in fact make it look and behave very much like GNOME2, but this is not the default :)
Please see https://evolve-os.com/budgie/
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: Jeannie on 21. September 2014, 14:33:31
You still did not define Desktop WM.
J.
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: mandog on 21. September 2014, 14:37:22
personal i, think budgie still need to be matured more it would be cool if it matured more and get more user friendly.. bu still need too much gnome parts for theming and stuff
and using gsettings ...
Ringo you are correct its only alpha but the git version is starting to show its potential as I said in my 1st post as a answer to the original poster it will soon be synced to 3.14
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: Jeannie on 21. September 2014, 14:39:24
Ringo you are correct its only alpha but the git version is starting to show its potential as I said in my 1st post as a answer to the original poster it will soon be synced to 3.14
Personally I don't see too much potential in a start menu and a clock yet
J.
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: ringo on 21. September 2014, 16:40:12
in the past with the solusos desktop was complete different.. then budgie.. evolveos is also not like mint.

it will be good on upstream.

But i think budgie is a good upstream. and if more developers in linux would support it it can growth even more. you can fight against it or go with it or not install it :)

Budgie wil do but its not mature enough just need feedback thats all.. im sure he would make a thing that you can relies on. world is also not  build in a day and build bit and pieces im sure if there is error is also easier to repair.

its no use work one year on a complete desktop with some rings and cool apps , if it breaks is hard to find a piece..


this is good effort but for an iso. i dont know.. :) is it needed? mayby as an SideDesktop for Gnome it would be cool.. then you have option out of budgie gnome-classic and gnome-shell ^^^  tweaks or gnome configuration center is still in use.

so yeah is not really an bloat budgie is not that heavier.
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: mandog on 21. September 2014, 17:05:01
in the past with the solusos desktop was complete different.. then budgie.. evolveos is also not like mint.

it will be good on upstream.

But i think budgie is a good upstream. and if more developers in linux would support it it can growth even more. you can fight against it or go with it or not install it :)

Budgie wil do but its not mature enough just need feedback thats all.. im sure he would make a thing that you can relies on. world is also not  build in a day and build bit and pieces im sure if there is error is also easier to repair.

its no use work one year on a complete desktop with some rings and cool apps , if it breaks is hard to find a piece..


this is good effort but for an iso. i dont know.. :) is it needed? mayby as an SideDesktop for Gnome it would be cool.. then you have option out of budgie gnome-classic and gnome-shell ^^^  tweaks or gnome configuration center is still in use.

so yeah is not really an bloat budgie is not that heavier.
You also have to remember Budgie is the desktop of evolve Linux project, Ikey is taking things at a slower pace with the project as it is a independent distribution using Pisi package manager its still quite bare at the moment of software but will grow in time. the window manager needs things still to make it complete it now has a settings manager. the dock is working, favourite apps is not yet done, tweak-tool takes care of the other settings. as does Gnome-control-center at this time but that may change in the future so its not really got a long way to go and is being developed faster than evolve so that is a really good thing I keep up with the development blogs and use the git version as the dev is at a faster pace, Ikey likes to do things correct and scraps any weak components and rewrites them he does try to put his money where his mouth is. He wants Budgie to be a universal simple desktop.   
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: ringo on 21. September 2014, 17:10:27
You also have to remember Budgie is the desktop of evolve Linux project, Ikey is taking things at a slower pace with the project as it is a independent distribution using Pisi package manager its still quite bare at the moment of software but will grow in time. the window manager needs things still to make it complete it now has a settings manager. the dock is working, favourite apps is not yet done, tweak-tool takes care of the other settings. as does Gnome-control-center at this time but that may change in the future so its not really got a long way to go and is being developed faster than evolve so that is a really good thing I keep up with the development blogs and use the git version as the dev is at a faster pace, Ikey likes to do things correct and scraps any weak components and rewrites them he does try to put his money where his mouth is. He wants Budgie to be a universal simple desktop.   

i dont shoot it because its just young :) im sure he got some awesome plans for it... sure if yu can make some budgie iso is cool but stil not an mature desktop to be on manjaroiso ??? i find it PERsonally its good if people busy on it can help with it if needed but yeah just let it know.

will see just follow a bit not much :)
evolve-os picked up where solusos2 stopped isall from scratch.  will see how it comes.
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: Fatboy on 16. April 2016, 21:18:41
I'm really excited about the budgie DE, but it seems that it needs a bit of time to mature a bit. I think if it's matured a bit it would be amazing on top of Manjaro :) It would most likely replace my xfce install ;)
Title: Re: New Manjaro community ed: because.....why not? (budgie desktop inside)
Post by: Ste74 on 17. April 2016, 17:29:20
 :)
An iso is ready but whit the arrive of gtk 3.20 the raven panel have some issue .. i want wait another minor update to release . For me is not well release before ... for new user the perception can be bad  ;)