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Title: look of lxqt
Post by: Esclapion on 16. July 2014, 16:15:10
Hi all,

I open this topic to see if we can do something to improve the appearance of lxqt.

All ideas are welcome. For example :

(http://zupimages.net/up/14/29/0frp.png)

looks a bit ugly for me.
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: d7rk on 16. July 2014, 16:25:54
I find this ugly as well.

Change icon theme?
Use a theme with less separators and with a grey less grey (whiter)?
Is it necessary to keep the icon on the top left?
Do we have to keep the letters underlined to indicate the shortcuts?
Which font is this?

Cheers, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: artoo on 16. July 2014, 16:28:26
Hi all,

I open this topic to see if we can do something to improve the appearance of lxqt.

All ideas are welcome. For example :

(http://zupimages.net/up/14/29/0frp.png)

looks a bit ugly for me.

An easy way is to install kde systemsettings and the look & feel module.

Install eg qtcurve, edit the multiple templates of qtcurve to your likening, save and place it in eg ~.config.

Set name of qt theme accordingly in Trolltech.conf. Done. :)
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: megapop on 16. July 2014, 16:29:22
Have you tried changing the Qt theme using qtconfig-qt4 ?

(Edit after x-post: so that you don't need the kde sledgehammer...) :)
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: artoo on 16. July 2014, 16:44:18
Have you tried changing the Qt theme using qtconfig-qt4 ?

(Edit after x-post: so that you don't need the kde sledgehammer...) :)

You don't need kde, but its pretty cool theme editor.
I assume esclapion want to have a theme for the lxqt iso.

So its worth to install on the development system kde to create a theme. :)
The qt colour palette is ugly to parse and create manually.
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: megapop on 16. July 2014, 16:49:21
You don't need kde, but its pretty cool theme editor.
I assume esclapion want to have a theme for the lxqt iso.

So its worth to install on the development system kde to create a theme. :)
The qt colour palette is ugly to parse and create manually.

Yup, a complete misunderstanding on my part. Sorry! :P
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: Esclapion on 16. July 2014, 17:05:16
qtconfig is a good idea, thanks  :) :

(http://zupimages.net/up/14/29/423n.png)

I find it's already  a bit better. Btw, its a qtconfig-qt4 and I'm in qt5, but if it works...  ^-^



Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: Esclapion on 16. July 2014, 17:11:53
For Kde systemsettings, 2 problems :

1)
Code: [Select]
==> Dépendances de systemsettings :
 - kcmutils (paquet trouvé)
 - khtml (paquet trouvé)
 - kdelibs4support (paquet trouvé)
 - extra-cmake-modules (paquet trouvé)
 - kdoctools (paquet trouvé)

Kde is non modular, so if I need a little piece I will become hundreds of MB.

2) Lxqt don't use kde theme, but a mix of gtk and ob themes.

Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: artoo on 16. July 2014, 17:14:58
For Kde systemsettings, 2 problems :

1)
Code: [Select]
==> Dépendances de systemsettings :
 - kcmutils (paquet trouvé)
 - khtml (paquet trouvé)
 - kdelibs4support (paquet trouvé)
 - extra-cmake-modules (paquet trouvé)
 - kdoctools (paquet trouvé)

Kde is non modular, so if I need a little piece I will become hundreds of MB.

2) Lxqt don't use kde theme, but a mix of gtk and ob themes.

Well, its just for creating or customizing themes, and its not kde themes, but qt themes in case of qtcurve, you can use them in lxqt, export them or save them in kde.  ;)

I made a pretty unified qtcurve iso from it, it also had gtk2 nm-applet themed correctly.
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: d7rk on 16. July 2014, 17:19:33
For Kde systemsettings, 2 problems :

1)
Code: [Select]
==> Dépendances de systemsettings :
 - kcmutils (paquet trouvé)
 - khtml (paquet trouvé)
 - kdelibs4support (paquet trouvé)
 - extra-cmake-modules (paquet trouvé)
 - kdoctools (paquet trouvé)

Kde is non modular, so if I need a little piece I will become hundreds of MB.

2) Lxqt don't use kde theme, but a mix of gtk and ob themes.

On openbox I use Adwaita and Adwaita-ob which I find quite nice looking... but you better like white/grey.
http://box-look.org/content/show.php/Adwaita-ob?content=162589&PHPSESSID=a08200113a7724adb57e7908dabe44b2

Cheers,
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: Esclapion on 16. July 2014, 17:24:24
Quote
Well, its just for creating or customizing themes, and its not kde themes, but qt themes in case of qtcurve, you can use them in lxqt, export them or save them in kde.  ;)

I made a pretty unified qtcurve iso from it, it also had gtk2 nm-applet themed correctly.

Thanks, but I don't have Kde installed, and both  packages of AUR don't compile. I think a depency is missing.

And qtcurve give not usefull result on lxqt for the moment.
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: Esclapion on 16. July 2014, 17:25:59
On openbox I use Adwaita and Adwaita-ob which I find quite nice looking... but you better like white/grey.
http://box-look.org/content/show.php/Adwaita-ob?content=162589&PHPSESSID=a08200113a7724adb57e7908dabe44b2

Hmmm, the old Adwaita.  ;) Thanks, I will try...
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: Esclapion on 16. July 2014, 17:32:20
(http://zupimages.net/up/14/29/w7da.png)

not bad at all, but people generally prefer dark theme... ::)
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: megapop on 16. July 2014, 19:30:43
not bad at all, but people generally prefer dark theme... ::)

Okay, you can apply any GTK theme to LXQt this way: in LXQt appearance configuration select GTK+ as widget style (and preferably in qtconfig as well), then select any theme with lxappearance-ob. For example DarkOrangeBird:

(http://megapop.bplaced.de/lxqt.png)
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: qanjaro on 16. July 2014, 19:35:38
As you know there's no qtconf for qt5. The only untified theme for gtk2/3 and qt4/5 can be achieved by a gtk2/3/ob theme and by chosing gtk in qtconf-qt4 and putting this in .bashrc for qt5:

export QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk #you need to reloging to make it work

Then you can customise the theme by lxappearance.

Sorry if I've told the obvious.

EDIT: As megapop has posted at the same time. Very nice theme by the way.
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: Esclapion on 16. July 2014, 19:50:03
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export QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk

Thx, I will verify and add it if not.

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GTK+ as widget style

yep, It's what I forgot.

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lxappearance-ob

thx, I will do some tries...

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DarkOrangeBird

nice, yes. But in Manjaro graphic chart, they prefer green :-( I find also that Ambiance is the best, maybe except flat-dark (rudy).
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: dicktater on 16. July 2014, 19:55:16
On openbox I use Adwaita and Adwaita-ob which I find quite nice looking... but you better like white/grey.
http://box-look.org/content/show.php/Adwaita-ob?content=162589&PHPSESSID=a08200113a7724adb57e7908dabe44b2 (http://box-look.org/content/show.php/Adwaita-ob?content=162589&PHPSESSID=a08200113a7724adb57e7908dabe44b2)

Cheers,
My eyes! What's the albedo of that theme? ;D
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: megapop on 16. July 2014, 19:55:33
nice, yes. But in Manjaro graphic chart, they prefer green :-(
Ah yes, of course! :) (... that was just for demonstration purposes anyway.)
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: poker98face on 16. July 2014, 20:02:20
Green? Take a look at uncomplicated ;)
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Uncomplicated?content=157986
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: Esclapion on 17. July 2014, 14:29:30
What's the best for the widget style, please ? GTK+ or Fusion ? And why ?
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: qanjaro on 17. July 2014, 15:00:51
I use Fusion (and qtcurve, virtuality), but I'm almost gtk free. Since ISO will inevitably contain GTK it's better to stick with GTK because this is the only way of having a unified global style for Qts and GTKs, with mediterranian nigth for instance.
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: Esclapion on 17. July 2014, 15:04:52
I use Fusion (and qtcurve, virtuality), but I'm almost gtk free. Since ISO will inevitably contain GTK it's better to stick with GTK because this is the only way of having a unified global style for Qts and GTKs, with mediterranian nigth for instance.

Hmm, OK, thanks for the explanation.  :)
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: qanjaro on 17. July 2014, 15:06:33
My pleasure!
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: excalibur1234 on 17. July 2014, 15:46:04
Since ISO will inevitably contain GTK it's better to stick with GTK because this is the only way of having a unified global style for Qts and GTKs.
i kind of agree - for now.
do you think gtk2 or gtk3 or both should be kept?
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: qanjaro on 17. July 2014, 15:51:34
GTK3 is used by some system utilities (cups for example) if not by any default app. Having said that there're some workarounds to have cups etc. without GTK3 and I'll hopefully soon list all these together with some other tips as a wiki.
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: Phil67 on 17. July 2014, 16:16:54
Having said that there're some workarounds to have cups etc. without GTK3 and I'll hopefully soon list all these together with some other tips as a wiki.
Many thanks in advance ! 8)

I'm also trying to get rid of GTK3 as much as possible.

The latest upgrade from 3.10 to 3.12 generated several bugs on my XFCE and LXDE systems without any other benefit (for my usage).

I didn't have time to investigate and tried to replace the GTK3 package (v3.12) with the GTK310 package in "extras" (and gedit310). Unfortunately this downgrade broke CUPS and I had to return back to GTK3 (3.12) and its ugly interface and side effects on several applications. >:(

I think that it would be better in the long-term for LXQT Manjaro to avoid as much as possible dependencies with GTK3 (at least for most critical applications).
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: qanjaro on 17. July 2014, 16:23:51
You're wellcome, Phil67. … That's why the whole Linux community is in the process of abandoning GTK!!! … LXQt's long-term goal is this, I believe. And I'll focus in the wiki especially for geting rid of GTK, just as KDE without KDE and Qt-er!
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: fassil on 17. July 2014, 17:29:11
Hi,

A bit "out of subject" (how do you say that ?), but E works like a charm without gtk3 & it's not so bad  ^-^

Ps: I don't remember my last print with my two laptops , it helps a bit, if i understand fine...
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: PCMan on 17. July 2014, 18:46:48
What's the best for the widget style, please ? GTK+ or Fusion ? And why ?
First, using an environment var to override the style is a bad idea.
Since Qt5 qtconfig tool is gone. The style name is provided by the platform plugin.
In the case of LXQt, that's lxqt-qtplugin. Qt will ask the platform plugin for the style name.
Please use lxqt-config-appearance tool and select a style from it then everything will work automatically.
Alternatively, edit /etc/xdg/lxqt/lxqt.conf and change the default style for your distro.
I personally will recommend "Fusion" since it's light and good-looking.
If you use GTK+, you can have the same look and feel as Gtk+ programs, but the price is Gtk+ must be loaded and used to paint your Qt widgets. You get nice gtk+ styles for the Qt widgets at the cost of increased resource usage.
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: qanjaro on 17. July 2014, 18:58:28
Thank you for the explanation PCMan.

As a side note, the issue with Fusion is that it's impossible to customise, no way to customise colours. Well, to be honest, even GTK3 is better in that respect. A generous soul is needed for creation of a (better) qtconfig for Qt5.
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: Esclapion on 19. July 2014, 17:06:02
Hi,

I have a strangeness. The border of Chromium always appears blue :

(http://zupimages.net/up/14/29/t7d0.png)

not a bad blue, but a blue. Some idea to let it follow the theme ?
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: pjhalsli on 19. July 2014, 17:14:19
I don't know how it is in lxqt but in settings when I switch to gtk it follows the theme I use
(and I'm pretty sure you already know this, so why did I answer? )  LOL
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: excalibur1234 on 19. July 2014, 17:14:50
Hi,

I have a strangeness. The border of Chromium always appears blue :

(http://zupimages.net/up/14/29/t7d0.png)

not a bad blue, but a blue. Some idea to let it follow the thele ?

in settings (in chromium) go to the bottom and press "show advanced settings", then you have to choose the gtk+ theme or the system theme (i am not sure which one - just try them). if you choose the chromium theme (which is the default theme), it will always be blue.
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: schpankme on 19. July 2014, 17:15:50
Aura: Border appearances of INPUT, TEXTAREA, and SELECT are inconsistent (https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=332311)
Eiffel 65 - I'm Blue - 10 hours (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LzVr-1OXqQ)
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: pjhalsli on 19. July 2014, 17:15:52
it's not advanced settings it's third from the top  ;)
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: excalibur1234 on 19. July 2014, 17:21:21
it's not advanced settings it's third from the top  ;)
thx. i was not sure about of this.
the last i have used chromium was almost a year ago...
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: Esclapion on 19. July 2014, 17:22:57
Thank you to all three, solved.  :D I do not know how I could not see.  ???

@ excalibur : I think to replace qupzilla by chromium...
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: excalibur1234 on 19. July 2014, 18:04:07
I think to replace qupzilla by chromium...
chromium is better known than qupzilla, otter, and other small/light browsers. it is probably more secure as well.
but chromium is a resource hog as well (especially ram).
i do not mind at all, which default browser is installed, but newbies might.

how do you like the idea of having 2 default browsers installed in lxqt?
(yes, it increases the size of the iso file)

if you install chromium by default, how about installing pepper flash (from AUR) as well?
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: pjhalsli on 19. July 2014, 18:08:45
Just throw in a browser it really doesn't matter much which one it is. Chrome, Firefox and Opera is the  best known for people coming from Windows but everybody have their own favorite browser and will change to that one no matter what, so it really  doesn't matter which browser it comes with  ;)
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: dicktater on 19. July 2014, 18:23:12
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/4d1e63a62ae9710c30b99c4d364244aa/tumblr_mtzry25lzn1rjiopto1_500.png)
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: Esclapion on 19. July 2014, 18:24:11
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if you install chromium by default, how about installing pepper flash (from AUR) as well?

I thought to that also, of course I'll do it, if... Pfff, problem of choice  :-\
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: megapop on 19. July 2014, 18:37:10
i do not mind at all, which default browser is installed, but newbies might.

Yeah that's exactly that. But newbies might not install such an adolescent DE anyway. Just my 2c, I think qupzilla (or maybe qtweb) is a good choice for the sake of consistency and the slenderness probably desired when using such a DE in the first place. Or no default browser at all. No browser, no choice to be made. :)
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: Esclapion on 19. July 2014, 18:49:20
The problem is also that it will not stay adolescent... so we must go closer of the definitive
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: megapop on 19. July 2014, 19:00:06
True! ;D
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: dicktater on 20. July 2014, 00:34:46
otter-browser       2.80mb
qupzilla             15.01mb
And at the buzzer..., it's little otter for the win! ;D
(http://s28.postimg.org/475mgdq4d/otter.png)
Title: Re: look of lxqt
Post by: Esclapion on 20. July 2014, 00:40:11
In all cases, qupzilla is good, but not sufficient for the moment. The weight can be interesting , yes.

arora is possible also, but I think it's bugged ?