Author Topic: What packages do you miss most in Manjaro XFCE 0.8.0?  (Read 6323 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Deyvi

  • Neuling
  • *
  • Posts: 28
  • Branch: Unstable
  • Desktop: XFCE
  • GPU Card: NVidia 550 Ti
  • GPU driver: non-free
  • Kernel: 3.14 x64
  • Skill: Novice
Re: What packages do you miss most in Manjaro XFCE 0.8.0?
« Reply #15 on: 02. September 2012, 13:05:17 »
luckyBackup
Kalu (update notifier)
Compiz
medit (text editor)
Galculator
Osmo (PIM)
WICD

Offline mrneilypops

  • Vollwertiges Mitglied
  • ***
  • Posts: 110
  • Manjaro Linux Tester
    • dwmX
  • Branch: unstable
  • Desktop: i3
  • Skill: Intermediate
Re: What packages do you miss most in Manjaro XFCE 0.8.0?
« Reply #16 on: 02. September 2012, 21:03:21 »
grive looks promising;
http://www.lbreda.com/grive/start
https://scrot.moe
mrneilypops free scrot and wall host

Offline Deyvi

  • Neuling
  • *
  • Posts: 28
  • Branch: Unstable
  • Desktop: XFCE
  • GPU Card: NVidia 550 Ti
  • GPU driver: non-free
  • Kernel: 3.14 x64
  • Skill: Novice
Re: What packages do you miss most in Manjaro XFCE 0.8.0?
« Reply #17 on: 07. September 2012, 17:50:26 »
MenuLibre (AUR)
An advanced menu editor that provides modern features in a clean, easy-to-use interface. All without GNOME dependencies

Link: http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Ubuntu-MenuLibre-bearbeitet-Menues-und-Quicklists-1636794.html
« Last Edit: 07. September 2012, 17:59:02 by Deyvi »

Offline mustafakilic

  • Neuling
  • *
  • Posts: 8
    • FoMus günlüğü
Re: What packages do you miss most in Manjaro XFCE 0.8.0?
« Reply #18 on: 07. September 2012, 18:59:52 »
...
- CUPS + gutenprint + full set of Filters + maybe GUI.
- maybe packer (although it is installed pretty easily- it helps finding that packages that you just need for your system)
...
+
from aur:
clamtk
ffdiaporama
ffmulticonverter
kde-servicemenus-rootactions

from official repos:
testdisk
aria2
« Last Edit: 07. September 2012, 19:12:03 by mustafakilic »

Offline frankennstein

  • Neuling
  • *
  • Posts: 24
  • Branch: stable
  • Desktop: XFCE/KDE
  • GPU Card: Intel GMA4500 integrated
  • Kernel: linux34-x86
Re: What packages do you miss most in Manjaro XFCE 0.8.0?
« Reply #19 on: 07. September 2012, 19:02:58 »
Panel Places Plugin. Don't remember if VLC is included by defaulth.

Offline viking

  • Sr. Mitglied
  • ****
  • Posts: 346
  • Branch: Unstable
  • Desktop: XFCE
  • GPU Card: Intel HD3000
  • GPU driver: Free
  • Kernel: Whichever is the latest
  • Skill: Intermediate
Re: What packages do you miss most in Manjaro XFCE 0.8.0?
« Reply #20 on: 08. September 2012, 18:04:09 »
Clicompanion.

I have the aur package installed, but it is out of date and doesn't work.

Code: [Select]
clicompanion
ERROR: locales dir not found
.

Everything else I use regularly I have successfully installed one way or another.
Fujitsu Lifebook AH532 laptop. Intel i5 processor, 16Gb ram, Intel HD3000 graphics, Intel Audio/wifi, Mint17, Ubuntu1404, Manjaro, all Xfce4.

Offline stege78

  • Neuling
  • *
  • Posts: 2
Re: What packages do you miss most in Manjaro XFCE 0.8.0?
« Reply #21 on: 08. September 2012, 23:22:43 »
Please, please,

do not preinstall applications just because you have space on the install media. A simple firewall such as gufw, enabled by default, would be nice though.

My apps: Clementine, VLC, XFburn, Firefox, Thunderbird, Pidgin, GIMP, XSane, gnome-printer-config-applet, Geany, Meld, LibreOffice and XFCE--desktop-apps

Great distro btw

Offline viking

  • Sr. Mitglied
  • ****
  • Posts: 346
  • Branch: Unstable
  • Desktop: XFCE
  • GPU Card: Intel HD3000
  • GPU driver: Free
  • Kernel: Whichever is the latest
  • Skill: Intermediate
Re: What packages do you miss most in Manjaro XFCE 0.8.0?
« Reply #22 on: 09. September 2012, 14:48:08 »
Shame it has been moved to dvd base,

If 0.8.0 had been a dvd I would never have installed it.

BTW Deyvi, not sure if you know this but luckybackup is available in the Aur and works perfectly.
Fujitsu Lifebook AH532 laptop. Intel i5 processor, 16Gb ram, Intel HD3000 graphics, Intel Audio/wifi, Mint17, Ubuntu1404, Manjaro, all Xfce4.

Offline Deyvi

  • Neuling
  • *
  • Posts: 28
  • Branch: Unstable
  • Desktop: XFCE
  • GPU Card: NVidia 550 Ti
  • GPU driver: non-free
  • Kernel: 3.14 x64
  • Skill: Novice
Re: What packages do you miss most in Manjaro XFCE 0.8.0?
« Reply #23 on: 09. September 2012, 16:34:37 »
Shame it has been moved to dvd base,

If 0.8.0 had been a dvd I would never have installed it.

BTW Deyvi, not sure if you know this but luckybackup is available in the Aur and works perfectly.

I know that luckyBackup is available in the AUR.

Offline eskaini

  • Security Team
  • *****
  • Posts: 10842
  • I eat deleted accounts
  • Skill: Novice
Re: What packages do you miss most in Manjaro XFCE 0.8.0?
« Reply #24 on: 09. September 2012, 18:13:56 »
Everybody has his preferences when it comes to software. That´s why i wouldn´t bundle everything either as mentioned before. If one would try to fit everything mentioned above in one distro he would include a big pile of software that the majority doesn´t need and would have to get rid of (plus he would have some Gigs everybody would have to download first).

I therefore can´t understand why everybody aims for a DVD insteaf of sticking with the CD. As mentioned before some people might refrain from trying MANJARO if it becomes to big. 700MB are pretty fast loaded and burned. If you want to try a distribution (and since MANJARO is a young distro, we need people who try) size does matter. 

Offline philm

  • Core Team
  • *****
  • Posts: 10671
    • Manjaro Linux
  • Branch: Unstable
  • Desktop: XFCE
  • GPU Card: Geforce GTX 650
  • GPU driver: non-free
  • Kernel: Maintainer - so all ;)
  • Skill: Guru
Re: What packages do you miss most in Manjaro XFCE 0.8.0?
« Reply #25 on: 11. September 2012, 22:20:52 »
Ok, let's talk about size. Here is the current structure of Manjaro 0.8.1pre1:

Code: [Select]
[phil@manjaro iso]$ ls -Rsh
.:
total 8.0K
4.0K isolinux  4.0K manjaro

./isolinux:
total 32K
4.0K isohdpfx.bin   24K isolinux.bin  4.0K isolinux.cfg

./manjaro:
total 12K
4.0K boot  4.0K isomounts  4.0K x86_64

./manjaro/boot:
total 4.0K
4.0K x86_64

./manjaro/boot/x86_64:
total 17M
 14M manjaro.img  3.3M manjaroiso  164K memtest  4.0K syslinux

./manjaro/boot/x86_64/syslinux:
total 2.1M
8.0K cat.c32        4.0K gpxecmd.c32    20K linux.c32       4.0K syslinuxIT.cfg
 24K chain.c32       88K gpxelinux.0    12K ls.c32          4.0K syslinuxTR.cfg
4.0K cmd.c32         88K gpxelinuxk.0  244K lua.c32          16K timezone.cfg
4.0K common.cfg     4.0K hdt           156K manjaro.c32      16K timezoneAR.cfg
4.0K commonAR.cfg   336K hdt.c32        36K mboot.c32        16K timezoneBG.cfg
4.0K commonBG.cfg   8.0K host.c32       28K memdisk          16K timezoneBR.cfg
4.0K commonBR.cfg    20K ifcpu.c32     8.0K memdump.com      16K timezoneDE.cfg
4.0K commonDE.cfg   4.0K ifcpu64.c32   8.0K meminfo.c32      16K timezoneES.cfg
4.0K commonES.cfg   4.0K ifplop.c32     56K menu.c32         16K timezoneFR.cfg
4.0K commonFR.cfg   4.0K int18.com      32K pcitest.c32      16K timezoneIT.cfg
4.0K commonIT.cfg   8.0K kbdmap.c32     16K pmload.c32       16K timezoneTR.cfg
4.0K commonTR.cfg   4.0K keymap.cfg    4.0K poweroff.com    4.0K ver.com
8.0K config.c32     4.0K keymapAR.cfg  4.0K pwd.c32         8.0K vesainfo.c32
8.0K cpuid.c32      4.0K keymapBG.cfg  4.0K pxechain.com    156K vesamenu.c32
 16K cpuidtest.c32  4.0K keymapBR.cfg   28K pxelinux.0      4.0K video.cfg
8.0K disk.c32       4.0K keymapDE.cfg  4.0K reboot.c32      4.0K videoAR.cfg
 40K dmitest.c32    4.0K keymapES.cfg   24K rosh.c32        4.0K videoBG.cfg
 32K elf.c32        4.0K keymapFR.cfg  4.0K sanboot.c32     4.0K videoBR.cfg
 32K ethersel.c32   4.0K keymapIT.cfg   28K sdi.c32         4.0K videoDE.cfg
4.0K f1.txt         4.0K keymapTR.cfg  8.0K splash.png      4.0K videoES.cfg
4.0K f1AR.txt       4.0K lang.cfg       40K sysdump.c32     4.0K videoFR.cfg
4.0K f1BG.txt       4.0K langAR.cfg    4.0K syslinux.cfg    4.0K videoIT.cfg
4.0K f1BR.txt       4.0K langBG.cfg     36K syslinux.com    4.0K videoTR.cfg
4.0K f1DE.txt       4.0K langBR.cfg    4.0K syslinuxAR.cfg  8.0K vpdtest.c32
4.0K f1ES.txt       4.0K langDE.cfg    4.0K syslinuxBG.cfg  4.0K whichsys.c32
4.0K f1FR.txt       4.0K langES.cfg    4.0K syslinuxBR.cfg   12K zzjson.c32
4.0K f1IT.txt       4.0K langFR.cfg    4.0K syslinuxDE.cfg
4.0K f1TR.txt       4.0K langIT.cfg    4.0K syslinuxES.cfg
 24K gfxboot.c32    4.0K langTR.cfg    4.0K syslinuxFR.cfg

./manjaro/boot/x86_64/syslinux/hdt:
total 272K
 80K modalias.gz  192K pciids.gz

./manjaro/x86_64:
total 1.6G
322M lng-image.sqfs  172M pkgs-image.sqfs    398M root-image.sqfs
384K overlay.sqfs    133M pkgs-overlay.sqfs  598M xfce-image.sqfs
[phil@manjaro iso]$ du -h | tail -n 1
1.7G

And here same structure for i686:

Code: [Select]
[phil@manjaro iso]$ ls -Rsh
.:
total 8.0K
4.0K isolinux  4.0K manjaro

./isolinux:
total 32K
4.0K isohdpfx.bin   24K isolinux.bin  4.0K isolinux.cfg

./manjaro:
total 12K
4.0K boot  4.0K i686  4.0K isomounts

./manjaro/boot:
total 4.0K
4.0K i686

./manjaro/boot/i686:
total 17M
 14M manjaro.img  3.1M manjaroiso  164K memtest  4.0K syslinux

./manjaro/boot/i686/syslinux:
total 2.1M
8.0K cat.c32        4.0K gpxecmd.c32    20K linux.c32       4.0K syslinuxIT.cfg
 24K chain.c32       88K gpxelinux.0    12K ls.c32          4.0K syslinuxTR.cfg
4.0K cmd.c32         88K gpxelinuxk.0  244K lua.c32          16K timezone.cfg
4.0K common.cfg     4.0K hdt           156K manjaro.c32      16K timezoneAR.cfg
4.0K commonAR.cfg   336K hdt.c32        36K mboot.c32        16K timezoneBG.cfg
4.0K commonBG.cfg   8.0K host.c32       28K memdisk          16K timezoneBR.cfg
4.0K commonBR.cfg    20K ifcpu.c32     8.0K memdump.com      16K timezoneDE.cfg
4.0K commonDE.cfg   4.0K ifcpu64.c32   8.0K meminfo.c32      16K timezoneES.cfg
4.0K commonES.cfg   4.0K ifplop.c32     56K menu.c32         16K timezoneFR.cfg
4.0K commonFR.cfg   4.0K int18.com      32K pcitest.c32      16K timezoneIT.cfg
4.0K commonIT.cfg   8.0K kbdmap.c32     16K pmload.c32       16K timezoneTR.cfg
4.0K commonTR.cfg   4.0K keymap.cfg    4.0K poweroff.com    4.0K ver.com
8.0K config.c32     4.0K keymapAR.cfg  4.0K pwd.c32         8.0K vesainfo.c32
8.0K cpuid.c32      4.0K keymapBG.cfg  4.0K pxechain.com    156K vesamenu.c32
 16K cpuidtest.c32  4.0K keymapBR.cfg   28K pxelinux.0      4.0K video.cfg
8.0K disk.c32       4.0K keymapDE.cfg  4.0K reboot.c32      4.0K videoAR.cfg
 40K dmitest.c32    4.0K keymapES.cfg   24K rosh.c32        4.0K videoBG.cfg
 32K elf.c32        4.0K keymapFR.cfg  4.0K sanboot.c32     4.0K videoBR.cfg
 32K ethersel.c32   4.0K keymapIT.cfg   28K sdi.c32         4.0K videoDE.cfg
4.0K f1.txt         4.0K keymapTR.cfg  8.0K splash.png      4.0K videoES.cfg
4.0K f1AR.txt       4.0K lang.cfg       40K sysdump.c32     4.0K videoFR.cfg
4.0K f1BG.txt       4.0K langAR.cfg    4.0K syslinux.cfg    4.0K videoIT.cfg
4.0K f1BR.txt       4.0K langBG.cfg     36K syslinux.com    4.0K videoTR.cfg
4.0K f1DE.txt       4.0K langBR.cfg    4.0K syslinuxAR.cfg  8.0K vpdtest.c32
4.0K f1ES.txt       4.0K langDE.cfg    4.0K syslinuxBG.cfg  4.0K whichsys.c32
4.0K f1FR.txt       4.0K langES.cfg    4.0K syslinuxBR.cfg   12K zzjson.c32
4.0K f1IT.txt       4.0K langFR.cfg    4.0K syslinuxDE.cfg
4.0K f1TR.txt       4.0K langIT.cfg    4.0K syslinuxES.cfg
 24K gfxboot.c32    4.0K langTR.cfg    4.0K syslinuxFR.cfg

./manjaro/boot/i686/syslinux/hdt:
total 276K
 84K modalias.gz  192K pciids.gz

./manjaro/i686:
total 1.4G
322M lng-image.sqfs   96M pkgs-image.sqfs    393M root-image.sqfs
384K overlay.sqfs     71M pkgs-overlay.sqfs  550M xfce-image.sqfs
[phil@manjaro iso]$ du -h | tail -n 1
1.5G

Now let's compare some squashfs-images in size:

x86_86
Code: [Select]
./manjaro/x86_64:
total 1.6G
322M lng-image.sqfs  172M pkgs-image.sqfs    398M root-image.sqfs
384K overlay.sqfs    133M pkgs-overlay.sqfs  598M xfce-image.sqfs
[phil@manjaro iso]$ du -h | tail -n 1
1.7G

i686
Code: [Select]
./manjaro/i686:
total 1.4G
322M lng-image.sqfs   96M pkgs-image.sqfs    393M root-image.sqfs
384K overlay.sqfs     71M pkgs-overlay.sqfs  550M xfce-image.sqfs
[phil@manjaro iso]$ du -h | tail -n 1
1.5G

Remove translation-packages and you free up 322M on each image. This means we would have only english language available.
Removing the driver-packages wouldn't make so much sense. Well, we can do it but then we won't have any Xorg-Server running (96M or 172M, depends on your architecture)
Our root-image with our basic installation isn't grown so much. ~390M is ok. Sure you can minimize it.
Our overlay with livecd-configs is almost not to mention. 384k - who cares about that?
Packages overlay is not needed. Well, it is only used for our LiveDVD to boot up faster. Removing it will result in a slower bootup. 71M - 133M we can save when we remove it again.
XFCE has grown now around 600M

Let's compare that all to 0.8.0-XFCE-x64:

389K overlay.sqfs
179M pkgs-image.sqff
344M root-image.sqfs
180M xfce-image.sqfs


root-image + pkgs-image = 523M

And in 0.8.1pre1-XFCE-x64 we have:

322M lng-image.sqfs     
384K overlay.sqfs     
172M pkgs-image.sqfs
133M pkgs-overlay.sqfs
398M root-image.sqfs
598M xfce-image.sqfs

root-image + pkgs-image = 570M


Removing "not-needed" packages we might manage to get back to a CD-size. This would also mean to get back to basics and not become more user-friendly.

It was always hard to hit CD-size on every rebuild of our distribution. So what is better?

  • a spartanic CD version
  • a userfriendly DVD version with stuff working mostly out of box

We talked about this in our last developer meeting and 0.8.0 should been DVD-size already.

Roland just mentioned:
Quote
"If you can manage to release XFCE as CD, then do it. Otherwise we go for DVD and add basic applications to it."

There you have it. Size really matters !!!

Offline hsngrms

  • Neuling
  • *
  • Posts: 33
Re: What packages do you miss most in Manjaro XFCE 0.8.0?
« Reply #26 on: 12. September 2012, 04:09:16 »
Xfce around 600 MB?  :o

It should be DVD size OK, but i think it should be around 1 GB total.
« Last Edit: 12. September 2012, 04:16:20 by hsngrms »

Offline philm

  • Core Team
  • *****
  • Posts: 10671
    • Manjaro Linux
  • Branch: Unstable
  • Desktop: XFCE
  • GPU Card: Geforce GTX 650
  • GPU driver: non-free
  • Kernel: Maintainer - so all ;)
  • Skill: Guru
Re: What packages do you miss most in Manjaro XFCE 0.8.0?
« Reply #27 on: 12. September 2012, 09:27:16 »
We added stuff like libreoffice, openshot and other tools. If you really want to go minimalistic try out our Manjaro Net-Edition

Offline hsngrms

  • Neuling
  • *
  • Posts: 33

Offline viking

  • Sr. Mitglied
  • ****
  • Posts: 346
  • Branch: Unstable
  • Desktop: XFCE
  • GPU Card: Intel HD3000
  • GPU driver: Free
  • Kernel: Whichever is the latest
  • Skill: Intermediate
Re: What packages do you miss most in Manjaro XFCE 0.8.0?
« Reply #29 on: 13. September 2012, 20:51:14 »
Everybody has his preferences when it comes to software. That´s why i wouldn´t bundle everything either as mentioned before. If one would try to fit everything mentioned above in one distro he would include a big pile of software that the majority doesn´t need and would have to get rid of (plus he would have some Gigs everybody would have to download first).

I therefore can´t understand why everybody aims for a DVD insteaf of sticking with the CD. As mentioned before some people might refrain from trying MANJARO if it becomes to big. 700MB are pretty fast loaded and burned. If you want to try a distribution (and since MANJARO is a young distro, we need people who try) size does matter.

Verändert is 100% correct. Anyone who has no cost/bandwidth concerns about downloading a dvd based distro will have no cost/bandwidth concerns about downloading LibreOffice/Gimp after installing a cd based distro. Conversely, anyone who does have cost/bandwidth concerns about downloading a dvd based distro is not going to install one if it contains applications that they do not want or need. For my purposes Abiword and Viewnoir are vastly preferable to LibreOffice and Gimp which to me are just bloatware.

As for the net install, your post above is the first I have ever heard of it, so unless it is something brand new, it needs a much higher profile than it has already.
Fujitsu Lifebook AH532 laptop. Intel i5 processor, 16Gb ram, Intel HD3000 graphics, Intel Audio/wifi, Mint17, Ubuntu1404, Manjaro, all Xfce4.